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What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:19 pm

Remember this tree?

It was shown at the Joy of Bonsai a few years back, but I was never really happy with the postion of the tree in the pot.... plus the base of the tres began to rot so badly that the inverse taper meant that a rethink was needed.



Here is the tree when first collected in 2001, it was a twin trunk, the small trunk was sent bear rooted to Jack Douthitt.



I had the pleasure of hosting a Study Group from Scotland on Saturday in my Garden. Fiona, Peter, Peter and Martin spend the day discussing the merits and problems with Hawthorns... at the end of the day I repotted the tree in a rather unusual pot. Fiona took some photos... post them please Fiona. bounce


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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Ivo Saporiti on Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:28 pm

very nice solution tony! ..i think you made a good increase of artistic value.
Only a thing: the work on dead wood near the node, best if made before the repotting.
In this case, you must wait almost 1 year, else you can have some problem whit the roots growing

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:35 pm

Ivo Saporiti wrote:very nice solution tony! ..i think you made a good increase of artistic value.
Only a thing: the work on dead wood near the node, best if made before the repotting.
In this case, you must wait almost 1 year, else you can have some problem whit the roots growing

Hi Ivo... I did the work on the rotten wood two years ago...it is now hard...Thanks for your well meaning advise and kind words

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  fiona on Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:55 pm

Tony wrote:
Fiona took some photos... post them please Fiona.

Your wish is my very command, Oh Great Master! (assuming your isntructions re how to upload pics work!)


the before and after pot


out of the old...


... into the new


A tree is born


The proud father

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  fiona on Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:00 pm

btw - now that I know the tree came from the Joy of Bonsai, I feel entirely vindicated in the name I gave it yesterday! Very Happy

I'll let you explain that to the good people of the IBC


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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:38 pm

Ivo Saporiti wrote:very nice solution tony! ..i think you made a good increase of artistic value.
Only a thing: the work on dead wood near the node, best if made before the repotting.
In this case, you must wait almost 1 year, else you can have some problem whit the roots growing

Ivo.. here are a few details, photos made during the new potting. Note the inverse taper.

Peter with the tree just after removing from the old pot





here is the New pot with the old in the background



and this is how well the tree fits into its new pot. Note: The tree is very stable


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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Rob Kempinski on Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:02 am

Nice job Tony. Having fun it looks like. I'm surprised at the paucity of roots after all these years. Is that the norm for Hawthorn?

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Ivo Saporiti on Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:17 am

i'm talking about this zone, not tachi-agari



I think may be an important interesting zone

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:15 am

Rob Kempinski wrote:Nice job Tony. Having fun it looks like. I'm surprised at the paucity of roots after all these years. Is that the norm for Hawthorn?

Hi Rob, its kinda the norm here in the damp cold North of the UK... although I have others that have far more vigor when making roots...this is a really slow growing tree... there is enough root to support the foliage mass...

Ivo... ah.. now I understand... you have an Eagles Eye. Suspect Yes this needs work... but I can wait a year whilst the tree establishes... however the tree is VERY firm in the pot, and I could 'strap' the trunk to a strong support and do the work on the small 'stump'...


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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Bear on Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:02 am

Hi Tony this hawthorn came from the cliffs in cornwall, early days yet but i like the style of pot you chose Brian

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Ivo Saporiti on Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:56 am

Tony wrote:
Ivo... ah.. now I understand... you have an Eagles Eye. Suspect Yes this needs work... but I can wait a year whilst the tree establishes... however the tree is VERY firm in the pot, and I could 'strap' the trunk to a strong support and do the work on the small 'stump'...

thanks Tony, but may be the case that my english is not so good
Embarassed

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Rob Kempinski on Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:47 am

fionnghal wrote:btw - now that I know the tree came from the Joy of Bonsai, I feel entirely vindicated in the name I gave it yesterday! Very Happy

I'll let you explain that to the good people of the IBC



In your backyard!!!.. Interesting camera angle affraid Suspect Much larger that I would have guessed.

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Big Boy!!

Post  bonsai monkey on Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:05 pm

I was a bit worried about that photo as well Tony lol!

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:48 pm

bonsai monkey wrote:I was a bit worried about that photo as well Tony lol!

Simon, you are more than anyone aware of Fiona's perverse sense of humour, the good catholic boy that I am sees nothing untoward with the photo... Twisted Evil

Rob... you should know better with your handicap Razz

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?????????

Post  bonsai monkey on Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:56 pm

Tony wrote: Simon, you are more than anyone aware of Fiona's perverse sense of humour

I don't know what you mean Tony tongue

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  fiona on Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:45 pm

bonsai monkey wrote:
Tony wrote: Simon, you are more than anyone aware of Fiona's perverse sense of humour

I don't know what you mean Tony tongue


Guys! Are you even suggesting this was a deliberate shot? An' there's me a good catholic girl, Tony - easily shocked by smut, innuendo, and lime green mankinis! At least you weren't wearing those shoes at the time!

Anyone know how to extract tongues from cheeks?

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Lee Kennedy on Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:01 pm

Who made the pot Tony? it looks fantastic,wabi sabi!

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:02 pm

Lee Kennedy wrote:Who made the pot Tony? it looks fantastic,wabi sabi!

Hi Lee, the pot is by William Vlaanderen from Holland, this is one of his 'moon' pots. Was NOT a cheap pot because they are fired to a very high temperature and William does a lot of work during the firing to bring out the texture on the pot... worth every Euro bounce

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  bonsai monkey on Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:41 am

Joking and smut apart Tony, this is a wonderful tree and pot combo. It just proves to me how far I need to progress in this hobby for my trees to even reach the standard of your pot!!!

Please carry on sharing your projects with us as it does inspire us mere mortals.

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Bear on Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:57 pm

Hi Tony did this hawthorn come from John Hanby Brian

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:55 pm

Bear wrote:Hi Tony did this hawthorn come from John Hanby Brian

BRIAN!!!! You really know how to wind someone up don't you... a typo in Bonsai Focus and this gets presented to me on 'tinternet. My Tree, I collected it, I styled it... MY TREE Razz

Naughty Brian, go and say four Our Fathers, Three Hail Mary's and give up the demon drink for Lent Twisted Evil

I am considering your place at Burrs... maybe offer it to a Spaniard... Maximus Maximus Maxumus.

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Bear on Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:10 pm

Hi Tony sorry i honestly didnt know it was a typo (toungue in cheek ) Very Happy Very Happy Twisted Evil Very Happy i did not realise you where so sensitive amigo Brian ps its an art

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  matsu on Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:44 pm

hi tony,
i,m not sure i like these pots per say but it suits the tree really well!

how is the rotting of the base now?
what preperation did you use to halt it and prevent further decay?

richT

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Tony on Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:11 am

matsu wrote:hi tony,
i,m not sure i like these pots per say but it suits the tree really well!

how is the rotting of the base now?
what preperation did you use to halt it and prevent further decay?

richT

Hi Rich, I use Kaizen Bonsai wood hardener (not sure if its still available)... and have found it quite effective, although if the deadwood is below soil it will eventually rot and perish, hawthorn is soft wood Sad

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Re: What happened to that Hawthorn from Joy of Bonsai

Post  Salva on Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:20 am

Tony it is an incredible tree with essence, and the pot is perfect
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