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Post  eric sanders on Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:09 pm

i bought this hawthorn in burrs 2008,i stationed it by a friend off mine because i was moving to another place.
he made this two air-layers and they are great.

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Post  Guest on Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:29 pm

Excellent shohin material there Eric. Shows that its well worth a try.

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Post  Tony on Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:25 pm

Hi Eric, what technique did your friend use? has he done photos of the sequence... Members (including me) would like to know.

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Post  wabashene on Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:26 am

Yes. it would be good to know if there was anything "special" about the technique you used.

I've always understood that (c. monogyna) Hawthorn were notoriously difficult to air layer.

That being said, Hans Van Meer rooted a large cutting in water a few years back as documented on the old BTalk site

Interest is purely selfish of course. My allotment is surrounded by large hawthorns with boring bottoms but lots of interesting stuff up top.

Thks

TimR

P.S. Maybe something to do with Dutch air and water Very Happy

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Post  Peter E. on Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:44 pm

Here's an early one I did a few years ago. Hope it helps.
http://knowledgeofbonsai.org/articles/techniques/propagation/airlayered-yamadori-hawthorn/

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Post  eric sanders on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:54 pm

Fred (that's the guy who made the air-layering) took a ring of bark off from about 2 cm in height.
Then he put a little bit of powder to grow roots, and filled it up with moss.
He placed a black plastic container around it to create some extra heat and kept it moist.

and voila! some new roots.

I will place some photos next year to show the new roots.

Hope that this is written in understandable English.


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Post  Pavel Slovák on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:38 pm

Hi Eric.

Very nice Hawthorn trees. Congratulation. Very Happy ThumbsUp ThumbsUp

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Post  mr treevolution on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:50 pm

Nice job! Hawthorn are hard to get to root via airlayer. I did over 40 on a hedge few years back and very few took. I tried various methods, not just the ring barking one. Some were reworked and left for another season, but not much more gained. I think some genetic strains must be easier than others!
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Post  Fred-4-u on Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:50 am

eric sanders wrote:Fred (that's the guy who made the air-layering) took a ring of bark off from about 2 cm in height.
Then he put a little bit of powder to grow roots, and filled it up with moss.
He placed a black plastic container around it to create some extra heat and kept it moist.

And this was covered with a plastic bag to keep the moist in. alien

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Post  john pitt on Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:50 pm

by eric sanders on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:54 pm

Fred (that's the guy who made the air-layering) took a ring of bark off from about 2 cm in height.
Then he put a little bit of powder to grow roots, and filled it up with moss.
He placed a black plastic container around it to create some extra heat and kept it moist.

and voila! some new roots.

Hi Eric,
and what time of year did he do this, and when did he sever the air layer?

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Post  Fred-4-u on Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:35 pm

john pitt wrote: and what time of year did he do this, and when did he sever the air layer?

begin april 2009 I airlayered the tree.
begin march 2010 I seperated them.

The whole season I kept the layer moist by injecting water with a needle.
The winter they were protected against frost, i.e. kept frost free.

Fred lol!

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Post  john pitt on Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:17 pm

Thanks very much Fred,
Have you done this on Hawthorns before?
just wondered how long Hawthorn would take to develop a crebible Nebari?
anyone have any info on this , pictures maybe?

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Post  Fred-4-u on Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:34 pm

First timer on Hawthorn.

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Post  Mário Eusébio on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:45 am

Hi,

I use to layer without no probs at all, I've been using the normal procedure I took off a ring bark in end of May and then in the midle of Setember I had enough roots to cut the Layer. One thing that I've noticed is that maybe due the strong birth of new roots the bark in the base had made some vertical breaks.

Two years later the roots are becoming ticker and the base too.

One of the tree a few weeks ago


Without leaves


Here before the layer. As you can see it was a ground layer but with complete ring. The goal was to create the nebari in the beginning of the two trunks.


In few days I will make two layers in the same tree to separe it in 3 diferente trees.






Regards,

Mário Eusébio

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Post  Ian Young on Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:08 pm

I'm trying a layer on one of my Hawthorn at the moment. I have photos if anyone finds them of use.

This is the tree, not me lurking, that's my mate Philip who has air layered just about everything he can get his hands on in the last 2 years. I am going with the lower trunk line but didn't want to waste the upper portion so we opted to try and layer.

A few branches are removed to clear the way for the layering.

A strip of bark is removed and the area scraped clean.

Moss is applied around the area and held in place with cling film. No rooting powder was applied as it never seems to make any difference. If it's going to root it will!

Black rubber from an old pond liner is used to cover up the area and is held in place with wire. This can be removed easily to check on progress. The rubber seems to help with keeping temp even within the moss and protecting from late frosts.

The layer was done at the end of March. I'll keep you posted as too any progress this year.

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Post  Guest on Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:21 pm

Great Hawthorn Ian. I like the idea here. Waste not want not. Look forward to seeing the development of both trees, particularly the one in the pot. Very Happy

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Post  eric sanders on Sun May 09, 2010 8:56 pm

update.

this one is doing great,the other one i removed the flower buds,because it,s not so healthy as this one

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Post  Guest on Sun May 09, 2010 9:11 pm

WOW Eric!!! I've had to wait seven years for my Welsh Hawthorn to flower....You get them straight away. Do you think that much flower will weaken the tree too much? Will you cut off the flowers to stop fruiting?

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Post  Pola on Mon May 10, 2010 5:37 am

Beautiful trees Eric!
Not using rooting hormone seems logical. The tree must produce new roots if it want's to survive,with or without it....hhmmm...interesting. Guess i have some experimenting to do. scratch

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Mon May 10, 2010 6:41 am

Hi Eric.

It's wonderful. Congratulations. ThumbsUp
I like fruit on the tree still left, it carries a lot of it.

Pavel

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Post  eric sanders on Mon May 10, 2010 5:34 pm

to will,

i removed lot,s off flower buds and still there are lot,s to show.
but i must say that the other one is not this good and so i removed them all.
And i will prune the flowers in a couple off days for the most.
Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  anttal63 on Mon May 10, 2010 11:15 pm

A great result Eric !!! Definately worth having a go for those shapes! Congrats! cheers

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Post  Ian Young on Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:25 pm

Instead of starting a new topic, I've resurrected this post about layering hawthorn. I removed the layer that I have posted here back in May.



I have added it as a case study on our club website. Click on the link to have a look if you are interested.

Hawthorn Air layering

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Post  paul.spearman on Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:07 am

Hi Eric nice job done on your hawthorns, the tree came from Andrew Arther. out of 25 welsh Hawthorns i have,
only 2 flowered you can give Andrew and myself the secret to flowering at burrs
reg Paul

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Post  Fred-4-u on Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:15 am

The mother flowered aswell

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