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Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:57 pm

I would like some input as to whether any one thinks these acers are worth making into bonsai. I have been offered them to dig up and i think they are palmatum.

I am slowly running out of energy ,space and time . Are they worth it.

I cut one down hard last year and experienced half the trunk dying back. Do I seal the big cuts.
Any advice on where to cut and best way for them to survive and thrive will be appreciated.

I did think of trying to get them out and keep them big and use them for airlayers as i dont expect the nebaris to be very good.
Acer1





Acer2



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Here are a couple more i can have ,what do you think.



Last one


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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Kev Bailey on Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:03 pm

I'd say the palmatums are definitely worth digging, chopping, sealing. Not as sure about the Abies/Piceas? There's a good thickness of trunk. If you have the space and patience, the airlayering and regrowing may be worthwhile.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:15 pm

Not having much space maybe i will chop and dig two of the acers and keep one a bit bigger for airlayers.
The last acer has some goog pieces on the top for airlayers.

The last two are really just afterthought and i didn't really think i would have the energy for them.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Jaco Kriek on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:39 am

Hi Smithy

I would definitely dig Acer 1. It could make a nice multi trunk/clump style.

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Post  moyogijohn on Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:53 pm

I Like the 3rd one for the movement of the trunk all have pretty good trunks just need branching.happy growing !!! JOHN,, Post pics please.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:23 am

I have made my mind up and 1 is going to be a multi trunk like Jaco suggested. 2 I am going to cut down to a small stump and see if i can make another multi trunk and 3 is going to be a bigger garden tree for my front garden. Like John says it has a nice trunk so I am going to cut all the branches off and start again. I've given up with the idea of air layers as i have far too many trees now and i keep bringing them home so why make more.

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Post  bonsaistud on Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:03 am

G'day Smithy...

"space" and "patience" are the key words my friend...

Pat…mounted on my trusted stead, riding off wildly in all directions

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:29 pm

bonsaistud wrote:G'day Smithy...

"space" and "patience" are the key words my friend...

Pat…mounted on my trusted stead, riding off wildly in all directions

Over the years i've been getting more of the patience and less of the space. one day maybe I will achieve balance. Then the third dimension kicks in 'time'. flower

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Joe Hatfield on Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:59 am

YES! Dig em up. Your bound to use them for something. Even if its just learning.

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Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:58 pm

Well I dug up the Acers today. As always you don't always end up with the plan you had for things.

This is Acer 1. The roots were a lot further down in the ground like a lot of garden plants, so a multi trunk was out of the question. This is what i have ended up with.

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Post  harry dovey on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:06 pm

startings of a fairly nice base there was there a big tap root or?

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Post  jon hultgren on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:07 pm

Well no multi trunk but you do have a pretty nice root spread there

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Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:09 pm

No not a big tap root . Afew medium size ones. I will just sit and hope for life.

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Post  harry dovey on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:10 pm

i collected a smimlar size palmatem this size when hardly any roots and it survived

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Post  Guest on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:16 pm

Looks very good Smithy. Is this one straight palmatum? they seem a lot more resistant to drastic pruning. Rooting will not be a problem.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:20 pm

Don't want to jinx anything Smithy, but I'm almost certain that will do well. Watch those few fine hair roots though. If they survive, they can thicken rapidly and can end up scarring the thicker roots below. I'd cut all of them and that ugly upstanding one off, after the first flush of leaves has hardened.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:24 pm

I think they are all straight palmatums. I only visited this garden a few times so i can't remember.

Here is Acer 2. It was pretty straight with a big v,so i have gone for this. a taller slender tree which could end up a garden tree.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:27 pm

Kev Bailey wrote:Don't want to jinx anything Smithy, but I'm almost certain that will do well. Watch those few fine hair roots though. If they survive, they can thicken rapidly and can end up scarring the thicker roots below. I'd cut all of them and that ugly upstanding one off, after the first flush of leaves has hardened.

I will do that with the roots. Thanks for that.

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Post  Guest on Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:50 pm

I think you need to reduce this one drastically. The taper and movement are poor but you could create a great shohin. I have reduced palmatum's in this way with no ill effects. Both these trees have promising roots

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:07 pm

I originally was going to cut this even smaller than you suggest. I thought I would make use of the trunk as i don't get given acer trunks . It has got a little bit of movement in real life. I shall go and look again tomorrow at it and see if I change my mind. scratch

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Guest on Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:27 pm

If you cut slightly high and then reduce when new buds/ branches have formed, you wont go wrong.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:38 pm

This is Acer 1. I'm pleased with this.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Guest on Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:36 pm

Excellent root flair for a newly collected tree. this is the most important aspect of bonsai. Start with a good bole, good taper and the rest is easy. Very good time to leaf prune and wire for future structure in trunk line and branching.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Smithy on Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:22 am

Do you think i should get on with that now ? I had thought of just letting it grow this year without touching it and then just cut it back next year.

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Re: Are these Acers worth digging up.

Post  Guest on Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:04 am

Your Acer is growing strongly Smithy. No reason why you can't start now.

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