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Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Paul B (Scotland) on Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:56 pm

Hi to all at IBC,

Firstly, congratulations for hosting such a great forum.

I've followed many threads here but haven't posted anything of my own before.
I enjoy the banter here and being a fairly thick skinned Scotsman, I reckon I can take the good humoured abuse that goes on here.
I've been interested in bonsai for the last 6 years. Most of these 6 years have been spent learning to keep my trees alive, doing some basic pruning and re-potting. I collected most of the trees I have, although looking back, most of them should have been left in the ground for several more years. I'm sure most of you out there have done the same, I can now walk past 2 year old seedlings and leave them alone - 6 years ago I would have collected them thinking I had some potential bonsai masterpiece.

Please feel free to comment, offer advice, critisise or create virtuals of any image I post here.


This one's an Elm I collected a 3 years ago. It came from a clump of Cork Bark Elm's, but unfortunately this one didn't have the same cork bark as the others. The taper of the trunk caught my eye as I dug around the base and I decided to collect it. It spent 2 years in a 16 inch plastic plant pot and I re-potted into this Erin pot last year. I'm happy with the trunk taper and the branch placement. I'll work on ramification of the branches over the next few years.

Here's photos from 4 different angles. Photo 3 is my choice as a front, I think this angle shows the taper and features of the trunk at their best.















My problems with this one concern the deadwood areas. I hope to hollow out the top section of the trunk and continue the shari I started last year, however, the only way I can stop the bark peeling away from the trunk is to apply wound sealant to the cut edge. Will this 'grow out' as the edge of the bark repairs itself or will it be left like this? The bark is sponge like and about 2-3mm thick.






I'm also unsure of what to do with the deadwood on the botton left of the trunk. The two cut ends need work to take off the cut edges. I like the detail of the deadwood, but I'm not sure how long it will last unless I treat it with wood hardener.






Any help, advice, thoughts or ideas are much appreciated.

Thanks.

Paul

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  littleart-fx on Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:51 pm

Thoughts i can help u with, interpretation of a halve styled (sorry) broom,.......something happened on the right!
I think in years this could be something.
Did cut of the worm form jin, get back to that later!



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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  littleart-fx on Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:06 pm

The other thing that went straight through my mind was this,



The jin does look like a handle, better use it then! Very Happy

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Post  moyogijohn on Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:29 pm

If this were my tree,i would rout the top flat part down to meet what you have started but not much farther down. loose the bottom jin all togather. then wire your new apex up some to make it flow with the trunk.. this is just my opion or you could send it to me !! i like the tree. john w. va.

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Post  Tony on Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:30 pm

Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!

Tree has potential but I would concentrate on growing a broom for the top of the trunk and remove the lower branches

BTW I moved the post to 'Questions' for you.

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Guest on Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:53 pm

Tony wrote:Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!
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Tony. Were'nt you a southern softie thought?

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Post  Jay Gaydosh on Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:35 pm

will baddeley wrote:
Tony wrote:Hi Paul... great to have you here on IBC another Scot eh! way too many on this forum for my liking... better than a southern softie thought!
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Tony. Were'nt you a southern softie thought?


He would be... to a Scot! Laughing

Sorry, I'm a Scottish Yank. AND PROUD OR IT!

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Fuzzy on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:17 pm

Come on Will you’re the Elm master around here. Give the guy some pointers as to how he could style this tree. Smile Personally I’d suggest cutting all the growth off and develop a broom style.

Btw welcome to the forum Paul and don’t forget you’re hard hat. Smile

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Post  Guest on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:33 pm

Fuzzy wrote:Come on Will you’re the Elm master around here. Give the guy some pointers as to how he could style this tree. Smile Personally I’d suggest cutting all the growth off and develop a broom style.

Btw welcome to the forum Paul and don’t forget you’re hard hat. Smile

Sorry Fuzz but I can't recomend anything at the mo. I'm at work all night and the bloody internet does'nt let anyone view pics. Ive got so fed up with it I bought a laptop and dongle today, but I must be doing something wrong as it wont open the internet Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  NeilDellinger on Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:24 pm

I hate it my dongles wont open Will

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I would loose the deadwood as others have advised & then look for a fairly small tree by choosing the lowest sprout for a new leader.

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Post  Guest on Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:41 pm

As Neil and the above have said, lose the deadwood. i like the shot with the wide base but the leader will never make a convincing top in this direction,in my opinion. I think I would also go for the shorter option, cutting an asymetrical v between branches 2 and 3.

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Joe Hatfield on Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:13 am

littleart-fx wrote:The other thing that went straight through my mind was this,



The jin does look like a handle, better use it then! Very Happy


HAHAH cracked me up.

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Post  Harleyrider on Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:05 pm

Will, Tony is now officially a naturalised Northerner.

Even if he is a bit posh.

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Paul B (Scotland) on Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:02 pm

Thanks for the replies folks,

I can see the sense in opting for a shorter broom style, it's just getting over the fact that I have to loose most of the tree (that I thought was heading in the right direction Very Happy ) to take it to the next stage.

Something like this then?



Will - I've read that a straight cut is an option over the V cut you suggested, is there any advantage in the V cut? Early spring the best time to do the chop?

Tony - thanks for the welcome and for moving this for me. It didn't look right sitting in the same section as some of Pavels trees Embarassed

Fuzzy - thanks, hardhat on for my next tree - a larch, so at least I cant be advised to do another V cut Smile

If anyone had suggested keeping the dead wood at the top of this tree what would have been your advice on the cut edge of the bark? Is cut paste the way to seal it or should it be left to heal itself with no sealant?

Thanks

Paul

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Re: Collected Elm with deadwood

Post  Guest on Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:45 pm

Hello Paul, all is not lost. Your v cut on the virtual, is about right but keep the second and third branches in place.The v cut will heal over a lot quicker than a straight cut,especially if you leave the suggested branches to grow freely for a season. Wrapping some cut hosepipe around the cut and wiring it tightly,will force the healing into the cut, avoiding any inverse taper. Put the tree in a larger pot and you will shorten the ammount of time in re developing the tree. Elms are fast growers when fed well and given some free reign in a larger pot. This trunk has bags of potential. Very Happy

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Post  moyogijohn on Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:40 pm

Paul, I hate for you to loose the whole tree... the 4th pic. there is a small branch close to the top middle of the tree cut slant there use the branches already there even if you trim them back let the small branch be the apex and let it grow to catch up..my opion only...john

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