can anyone determen this (little) tree?

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can anyone determen this (little) tree?

Post  littleart-fx on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:29 am

Got this tree from a friend of mine (he went off to thailand)
I am not shure what kind of tree it is
He has had it for about 17 years it was in this pot for aproxemetly 6.
The leaves normaly are much bigger he said.


Like it though,bud it need some pruning


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Post  Kev Bailey on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:46 am

I could guess but won't. Please can you try to get a closer shot of a shoot so that we can see the leaves in detail.

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some more pictures

Post  littleart-fx on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:49 am

this is how the tree looks now,



love the base, hate the pot suggestions?



was right on that mr kev.

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Re: can anyone determen this (little) tree?

Post  luciano benyakob on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:53 am

Here we call:Sageretia Theesans.
Shalom Luciano.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:56 am

Sageretia theezans gets you more results in Google Wink

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Post  littleart-fx on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:58 am

thnx.!

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Post  djlen on Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:11 pm

You will love this tree. I've got a few and they are easy to care for and propagate and resemble
Elms, but can be grown indoors all year round.
Good luck with it!!!

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Post  littleart-fx on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:01 pm

it has been outside for all these years thought off doing the same?

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Post  djlen on Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:13 pm

Your tree is a Sagaretia and is can not handle temperatures below 50° F. It will die if you subject it
to temps. below that. In fact I would not put mine out in temps. below 60°F.

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Post  littleart-fx on Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:38 pm

it has always been outside, in winter on a protected none windy or wet place but outside.
And it survived,......last year -18 degrees Celsius that is.
Wasn't anything wrong with it, leaves had fallen of that was all, but i think pretty natural.

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Post  djlen on Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:05 pm

I'm very surprised to hear that. I didn't think a Sagaretia could survive that kind of cold.

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Post  littleart-fx on Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:09 pm

the man who gave it to me wasn't to carefull with his tree's on the other hand he sure was and tried them out.

also kept outside were Chinese elms, also indoor bonsai's....?

just by trying and a little neglect sometimes you learn the most.....

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Post  djlen on Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:50 pm

It makes a lot more sense that the tree is an Elm if it lived after being subjected to those temperatures
that you refer to earlier.
Elms are basically out door trees that some people are claiming can be kept indoors but many feel that
they should be outside and allowed to go dormant in the winter in order to thrive in the long term.
Can you take a close-up of a leaf or two of your tree so that we can make a positivfe ID?

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Post  Seth Ellwood on Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:11 pm

Does this tree flower? If so it kinda looks like crape myrtle to me . That would also explain why it can withstand the winter temps and still thrive.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:39 pm

littleart-fx wrote:the man who gave it to me wasn't to carefull with his tree's on the other hand he sure was and tried them out.

also kept outside were Chinese elms, also indoor bonsai's....?

just by trying and a little neglect sometimes you learn the most.....

I keep my Chinese Elms and Sageretti outside and only protect them by moving indoors if the temp goes below freezing (0C/32F) We can get into the 30s and 40s in the winter and the tropical trees don't like it but they live.

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Post  littleart-fx on Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:14 pm

it isn't an elm, leaves do lack little saw teeth.

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Post  pjkatich on Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:12 pm

Your tree definitely looks like a Sageretia to me.

I grow a few of these myself and have found them to be very cold hardy regardless of what the reference books say.

I treat mine the same as Rob, I will protect the mature specimen trees in an unheated shed when we are expecting a freeze. I do this more out of respect for the time I have invested in them rather than the fact that they will not survive the cold. When my trees were smaller and less developed, I would leave them out all winter. I live a few hours north of Rob's location where we regularly experience temperatures in the mid to upper 20's (F) during the winter months.

Surprisingly, the Sageretia is the first trees that I repot each year. Mine usually start pushing new buds by the middle of January.

Regards,
Paul

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Post  djlen on Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:46 pm

I find this information totally amazing!! I have always regarded them as Sub-Tropical and unable to cope with
temperatures below 40° F.
See here for one source:
http://www.bonsai4me.com/SpeciesGuide/Sageretia.html

I've read the same in other places but I guess I have to defer if people are growing them at colder temps.
We get temps. in the 0° - 10° F area on occasion and I would certainly not put them out in that weather, but
now I guess I will let them experience cooler temps. in the fall before bringing them in.
This has been an education for me.....thank you all.

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Post  littleart-fx on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:35 pm

if u can put them inside why not, i am myself doing this at the moment.
Dont want to lose it.

but fact is that last year when the tree wasn't mine it lasted all winter outside at tempratures -18 degrees celcius -0.4 f
came out of winter with none foilege left.

Same as the punica granatum he gave me totaly leafless out of winter march first leaves came out and 1 apple at the end of season.
was slow in grow tough......

i know a guy that grows bananas out here works to..... Smile

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