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Post  Hypno_Hiker on Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:51 pm

Hi Folks!

I am interested in creating and then selling bonsai. I am wondering what the average time frame would be from the first wiring to the plant being shaped.

I was also wondering if any of you offer a maintenance service to clients. If so, how you charge for the service/what type of contract do you offer.

Have an awesome day!

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:58 pm

wow - seems like quite a daunting undertaking when you dont know the answer to your first question...

not trying to be a dick and rain on all your happy, but do you have any experience at all with little trees in little pots ? scratch

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Post  Hypno_Hiker on Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:56 pm

beer city snake wrote: not trying to be a dick scratch

Oh, well you are being a little...no pun intended.

I had heard that people in the bonsai community are helpful and nice.  Unfortunately, I am not sure about that as you are the first post I have received.

The worst reply I expected was "depends on the plant".  If this is the kind of attitude I should expect from any request for information, I'll find other resources.

I am surprised that your ego has not made it a daunting undertaking to work with the little trees in little pots.

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Post  John Quinn on Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:17 pm

If you are an experienced grower of potted plants (nurseryman, etc.) then you could likely learn the basics of bonsai growing and training in about a year. Shaping of trees takes months to years depending on the material. There are all sorts of nuances to learn including potting mixes, root and tree pruning, fertilization, pot choices etc. Most 'bonsai' sold from the back of one's car on the side of the highway (you may have seen them) are poor specimens and likely short lived.

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Post  Hypno_Hiker on Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:22 pm

John Quinn wrote:If you are an experienced grower of potted plants (nurseryman, etc.) then you could likely learn the basics of bonsai growing and training in about a year. Shaping of trees takes months to years depending on the material. There are all sorts of nuances to learn including potting mixes, root and tree pruning, fertilization, pot choices etc. Most 'bonsai' sold from the back of one's car on the side of the highway (you may have seen them) are poor specimens and likely short lived.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:33 pm

i just took umbrage at your only and immediate goal being turning what should be a passion and horticultural art form into commerce.

try some basic questions about bonsai in general and you may get a better response than johns polite reply to cover my rudeness Wink

after all, would you show up at a lake with no fishing knowledge and immediately ask the pro where the honey-hole is ?  Razz

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:59 am

Kevin.

my friend it isn't worth it. The cost factor on Bonsai is very high, and building a name can take years.
Money going out of the wallet for years.

There is a time when Christmas is finished and the mallsai presents go bad.
I go silent.

Let me pour a little Johnny Walker blue on that bruise spot - or is that Fine White Tea 90 deg.C ? Smile
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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:27 pm

khai - apologies if my abruptness upset your reasonable sensibilities.  Wink
seriously.


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:30 pm

Kevin,

nothing to apologise for. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Raises his mug , kow tows [ that should be Kung Fu movie bow ] and salutes Kevin.
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Re: Time from First Wiring to Shaped

Post  M. Frary on Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:28 pm

[quote="Hypno_Hiker"]Hi Folks!

I am interested in creating and then selling bonsai. I am wondering what the average time frame would be from the first wiring to the plant being shaped.

Depends on how fast you can put wire on I suppose.

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Post  jungle Jas on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:30 pm

Hi, I used to do the very same thing a few years ago mine were mostly grown from seed. Time taken is variable but it is possible to grow something saleable in 3 to 4 years, in fact I used to sell a lot of seedlings for people to shape their own. It is surprising how many people will buy seedlings to have a go them selves. But you do need some more advanced  Bonsai on your stand/ stall/nursery for customers to see what to aspire to. Seedlings will take 1 to 2 years depending on what species you grow. Hope this helps. Mind you that was in the UK, In your neck of the woods things may be different. Wink

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Post  M. Frary on Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:46 pm

Hypno_Hiker wrote:Hi Folks!

I am interested in creating and then selling bonsai. I am wondering what the average time frame would be from the first wiring to the plant being shaped.

I was also wondering if any of you offer a maintenance service to clients. If so, how you charge for the service/what type of contract do you offer.

Have an awesome day!
12 and 1/2 years.
The services I offer are very stimulating.
I offer full contact.
I charge by the hour.

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Post  yamasuri on Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:56 am

M. Frary wrote:
Hypno_Hiker wrote:Hi Folks!

I am interested in creating and then selling bonsai. I am wondering what the average time frame would be from the first wiring to the plant being shaped.

I was also wondering if any of you offer a maintenance service to clients. If so, how you charge for the service/what type of contract do you offer.

Have an awesome day!
12 and 1/2 years.
The services I offer are very stimulating.
I offer full contact.
I charge by the hour.

Mr. M. Frary in case of emergency how much is a service call?

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Post  M. Frary on Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:58 am

yamasuri wrote:
M. Frary wrote:
Hypno_Hiker wrote:Hi Folks!

I am interested in creating and then selling bonsai. I am wondering what the average time frame would be from the first wiring to the plant being shaped.

I was also wondering if any of you offer a maintenance service to clients. If so, how you charge for the service/what type of contract do you offer.

Have an awesome day!
12 and 1/2 years.
The services I offer are very stimulating.
I offer full contact.
I charge by the hour.

Mr. M. Frary in case of emergency how much is a service call?
Depends on what she looks like.

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Re: Time from First Wiring to Shaped

Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:32 pm



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Post  yamasuri on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:32 pm

Kevin, this one must be free off charge by any means Cool

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:59 pm

indeed vlad !

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Post  M. Frary on Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:14 pm

kevin stoeveken wrote:
Oh she paid. And paid dearly.

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