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Post  maremmano on Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:19 pm

this stone is very special because it is unique (I have not found another similar) for both the materialale composition which is an arms autoclastica (brecciated limestone) and the white is chalk, the stone is hard as es.il Palombino I hope that all of you know.

for daiza I used linden wood (or so I'm told).








some details of stone



the worst is over, I have not finished the daiza because they are not convinced of the steps, if levarne one or leave it, what do you think?





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Re: fresh summer

Post  Dave Leppo on Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:31 am

Leave the steps. The stone has lots of detail, so the base can, too. imo

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:36 pm

i am no rock-head, but that one is OUTSTANDING !!!

and i too like the steps...

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Re: fresh summer

Post  milly.a on Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:46 am

I love your stone and the diaza!Very Happy
Just not sure about the colour of the diaza scratch

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Re: fresh summer

Post  Chris Cochrane on Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:51 am

Hi Maremmano....  Your stone is lovely.  It is especially significant if collected in Europe.  

If collected in Japan, such a stone could be identified as a y0roi-ishi/"armor stone" identified for its roughly-textured, dark cladding partially obscuring a smooth white or beni/"brick-red" under-layer.  Your stone creates a very cooling effect associated with cascading water or remaining snow in an intimate landscape view.

Your present daiza extends far beyond the stone's footprint with feet placed outside the stone' footprint.  The extra daiza width & depth draws attention to the daiza, which arguably distracts from the stone.  You may be familiar with cloud-footed daiza in Chinese platform-style which extend in a style similar to yours, but they are reserved for furuya-ishi or seigaku-ishi stones collected in Japan but considered to be in Chinese taste.  This stone is not in Chinese taste.  Daiza feet should be placed substantively under the stone, even if the daiza has one or more narrow even walls.

I'll send a couple of photos by PM of other yoroi-ishi in daiza. Hope they help in your daiza consideration.

Best wishes,
Chris

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Post  maremmano on Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:52 am

Thanks to all of your opinion, is the daiza has too many veins, I'll do it darker, writes Chris Cochrane photos look to compare and edit the daiza, I am almost convinced that with two steps is better.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:44 pm

hhhmmmm...

does someone living in italy need to be overly concerned with what the chinese and japanese find aesthetically acceptable... scratch

perhaps if the rock was indigenous to the orient, then those "rules" might apply...
but it was collected in italy, the diaza was made in italy and the stone resides in italy (where i assume it will stay)

just something to consider... Wink

(but having said all that, i agree about the color of the diaza not being quite as compatible with the stone as it could be)

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Re: fresh summer

Post  maremmano on Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:20 pm

Are almost agree with you Beer snake city, indeed I have learned the art, its principles, its simplicity in comparing, aesthetics, combination art Nature Art Man (with daiza), never go to Japan, never approffondire names or philosophies Japanese or other types of art from them, just following my instincts very attached to nature and comparing me with other researchers and Italian stone, I can tell you that I was a pioneer in Italy in the search for materials other than just Palombino, thanks to me now even here begin to exploit the river stones, this is a stone of a stream, a beautiful example of what you can find.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:39 pm

BRAVO for you !!!
yes, learn from others but draw from what is near to your eyes, heart and mind. Cool

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Post  chansen on Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:35 pm

Chris Cochrane wrote:

Your present daiza extends far beyond the stone's footprint with feet placed outside the stone' footprint.  The extra daiza width & depth draws attention to the daiza, which arguably distracts from the stone.
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Daiza feet should be placed substantively under the stone, even if the daiza has one or more narrow even walls.

Best wishes,
Chris

Chris - I have to agree. Whether in a Japanese, Chinese, or any other cultural tradition I think the diaza presented is a little too distracting. The stone is wonderful, and the diaza isn't really complementing the stone, but competing with it. Placing the feet under the stone will visually support it better. I found that the steps were constantly pulling my eye away from the stone. From what I've seen, Chinese seats tend to be busier/more dynamic than Japanese diazas, but so are the stones. So in either case there remains a sense of balance in the presentation.

On another note, I spent a couple weeks in Italy two years ago. I only got to spend part of one day collecting stones. Hopefully I get a chance to go back some day and collect one or two more Smile.

Thanks for sharing!

Christian

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Re: fresh summer

Post  klosi on Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:08 pm

Congratulations! You said you'll put a good stone on ibc, but this one is amazing. Yet another top stone you have in your collection. Great!
My first impression was of mountains with snow, not water, since my homeland often shows such scenery.
It has a lot of detail and I think this daiza is a good choice. But for such a nice stone you could go trough the trouble to make another one and compare the two with stone. I do like the steps, the daiza is complex as is the stone. It also represents the descending flow, like when snow on the rock melts it runs down the steps..

Did you cut the bottom? Do you have any pictures of the way you found it? Did you have to clean it much?

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Re: fresh summer

Post  maremmano on Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:51 am

Klosi Hello, when I can I will assess whether to redo the daiza, or I raise a step, I see that even here there are different opinions about it.
The below is not propio cut (in Italy we are very traditional), I just lifted some small parts that were exaggerated to build daiza,.
The small stream (as seen from the photos is off about 3 meters) where I found it for me is a mine of stones and waterfall pool, here are some examples of what I find them



















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Post  klosi on Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:36 pm

Nice these all look very nice. Good finds and please keep posting your new material and your techniques. Thanks! cheers

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Post  my nellie on Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:50 pm

How much refreshing the pure white snow on that first mountain! It's still around 35C in Athens!
Thanks for posting your incredible findings, maremmano!

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Re: fresh summer

Post  leatherback on Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:57 am

amazing stone in the main post, and impressive diversity you show in the last.

I am not a rock-viewer myself, so I have no idea but it seems to me like you could be sitting on a little goldmine if you ever decide to start collecting for trade. And untill that time, you get to build an amazing colelction, I am sure! Lucky you.

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Post  maremmano on Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:48 pm

leatherback ,is not only the stream that provides me with fine stonework, but the entire territory of Maremma Grosseto which is full of different and interesting material as suiseki forms, at home I have a part of my collection about 150 pieces with daiza, then at my lab I have others, and many others to clean, every time I want to look, river or hill or mountain I go home with beautiful pieces 5,10, I am VERY lucky I know, my collection is one of the most diverse of Italy , sometimes I sell something, I have the online album where there are the stones that I want to sell, but this is because I need to buy wood, drills, etc .., you know my laboratory is often people from all over europe and from Italy to learn, then the material is consumed.

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