repotting "elmer" (and some progression)

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Post  beer city snake on Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:57 pm

i thought i already posted this elm before, but maybe i didnt...

collected this guy spring of 2013
when i grabbed him, he was about 6 feet tall... and this is reduced to about 3 feet tall
brian "da chopper" helped me collect it and i resisted his urging that i trunk chop it...
at the time, i was only a year or so into this and that thought terrified me...









and this is about a month after collection



and 2014





and now after looking at it for a couple years, i have some definite ideas as to direction, but the first step is an attitude adjustment so at the last MKE AAC session we went for the potting angle change...

from this:



to something like this:







due to the new angle, i needed to lose all the roots in the circled area





the big boys like to break out the big tools and slap 'em on the table to see who measures up
(brian da chopper and ron fortmann taking their turns)



because of the amount of roots that had to be removed, we couldnt go back into the same pot as i had hoped, so we had to scramble for one... luckily i had this big old heavy plastic one, but it was too deep for lateral root formation, so i filled the bottom with lava and covered that with weed barrier cloth... then drilled her up and set the wires before dropping him in...

brian da chopper helps with the tie down wires



and there we go...





i find that lava on top discourages the tree rats from digging around in my pots...

btw - up until now, this has only been pruned with the walter pall hedge trimming method (in a selective manner, but with hedge trimmers none the less)...

might be a bit tall for some tastes, but i can live with that as now i will be looking at reducing the height of the foliage into a flatter area surrounding the crown... not sure which will be the best viewing angle yet, but that doesnt matter yet as all sides will be developed for viewing... lottsa carving to come, along with decisions about the secondary tranch or brunk (trunk or branch ?)

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:58 pm

VAST improvement. So many wild trees have that scooped lower trunk. Not all are as susceptible to change as yours.

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Post  appalachianOwl on Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:35 am

Noice one Kevin! Ulmus pumila (Siberian Elm)? -Jacob

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Post  Guest on Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:49 am

Very nice done, the tree is much better now, look forward to follow the progression Smile

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  beer city snake on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:35 pm

thanks J, J & Y !!!

jacob - yes, i was told it is siberian

and yes, now that i know where i am going, i will post progress

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Post  appalachianOwl on Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:17 pm

Very cool, one of my first collection attempts was with this species (maybe share them one day... haha). Awesome bark! You aware of their notorious habit regarding lowest branches?

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Post  Guest on Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:14 pm

KEVIN!! That's awesome buddy. Soooo glads you didn't chop when it was collected. Great decision! The trunk makes me think of this tree. One of the few WS that actually looks like the wind is currently screaming. Keep us posted please.

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:33 pm

thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up Kevin,

please keep us updated. Really beautiful tree and can only get better.
Nice solution to the squirrels, though on my side, they don't touch the trees, birds are another situation as moss goes.
Can you grow Celtis [ hackberrys - local ] ?
Thanks for showing.
Khai.......

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Post  GreenLarry on Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:37 pm

Fabulous specimen. An Elm you say?

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Post  beer city snake on Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:43 pm

thanks all !

yes khai, i believe that we can do hackberrys, though i do not have one.

larry - yes - siberian elm

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Post  GreenLarry on Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:30 pm

Thanks Snake

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Post  beer city snake on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:48 pm

update

now that i am learning a bit more about deciduous branch development, i finally used a proper pruners on this guy as opposed to the hedge trimmers (ala walter pall)... definite branch plan now being considered.



btw - a couplafew of the longer branches were subsequently brought in more after this picture was taken

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Post  beer city snake on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:59 pm

almost forgot i had a top view too...
(again a few of the branches were brought in a bit more after this was taken)


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Post  Precarious on Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:54 pm

Elegant potting angle change, will be a stunner!

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:37 am

Hmm, now you have me really curious!!

Will you keep the thicker branch or re-design for the thinner and finer branching ?
[ only the Shadow knows ]

I want to see this tree again in spring ----------- please, please, please.
Doing nicely,
Laters.
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Post  beer city snake on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:46 pm

thanks david !

khai, which thicker branch are you referring to ?
the one that arcs over the main lower trunk ?

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Post  beer city snake on Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:42 pm

khai - if you see this - see above post
and here is one from this past spring



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Post  M. Frary on Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:14 pm

So... I take it you aren't going to chop it down further.
I would be having to cut it in the middle of that c curve somewhere to get the movement headed in a different direction. And induce some taper. That's me. I would make that Brian the chopper guy cry with the things I do.
Someone also alluded to this species propensity for dropping limbs. Junipers drop limbs too. I've found if you tickle the roots every spring it will keep it from doing such things.
These trees are just about indestructible,grow fast and leaf reduction is a thing to behold.

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Post  beer city snake on Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:51 pm

nope... no further choppin...

i dont think heading it off in another direction would be the direction for this one...
i like the C curve and am wanting to keep it in the final design as that is how it was when i collected it...

and this one really did have a tortured existence, but at the hands of men and machines, having been pushed around an open field during more than 2 failed land development attempts on the acreage that it was on...

when i collected it i forgot to take an "in situ" and so i researched google street photos and other sources and the tree was not where i found it when the pictures were taken, but with that girth it did not just spring up in the year or so since those photos were taken... (the leaders were over 6' tall when collected and it was near the road and would have been entirely visible in the street photos if it were there at the time)

really just working on the crown and base at this stage.

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Post  steveb on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:44 am

Great tree. The two upper trunks look very natural and believable. I bet it looks stunning when fully ramified. Keep us updated.

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Post  beer city snake on Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:32 pm

thanks steve !

i believe some of the crown work, apart from ramification, will be doing something to reduce the impact of that upper trunk/branch (which is mostly dead wood)... but not lose it altogether.

and yes - deciduous material CAN have dead wood Twisted Evil

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