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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:56 pm

i was looking at some pots on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3pcs-Bonsai-Mini-Octagon-Stone-Ware-Pot-Kasama-Red-Set-Artist-Signed-BS11-/400897582609?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

and asked the seller if any of them are cracked (as one of them appears to be)...

here is part of his reponse:

One of them has two cracks(inside and outside) called "kamakizu". They were occurred during kiln process, and many people in Japan don't regard them as cracks.

sounds like if you just give a defect a japanese name, it can then be passed off as acceptable... ? Rolling Eyes

curious to hear others thought on this

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Post  DougB on Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:15 pm

Wow always something new to learn. Yup according to several web sites these pots have cracks during the kiln process and are not normally thrown away. Did not see if there is an impact on the value.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:30 pm

i can understand not throwing them away...
but giving it a name to make it seem like something more than what it is just seems like "polishing a turd"

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Post  DougB on Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:42 pm

Kevin how do you say crack in Japanese? It is not glorified, just descriptive.

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Post  JimLewis on Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:56 pm

OTOH, here seem to be a lot of crackpots in bonsai circles.

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Post  Bruce Winter on Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:23 pm

I was going to say, I've been called kamakizu more than once.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:53 pm

DougB wrote:Kevin how do you say crack in Japanese? It is not glorified, just descriptive.

sorry, but i disagree...
mainly because the seller said: "many people in japan don't regard them as cracks"
so it sounds to me that they do have a different word for crack in japanese Wink

btw, i don't speak japanese... i'm just an uncultured, stupid, clumsy 'merican geek

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Post  Precarious on Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:44 pm

Kamakizu. Can you say, "new screen name"?

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Post  DougB on Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:06 pm

OK guys edumakation time. Study this website.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:09 pm

does "glancing" count as "studying" ? Wink

looked like a bunch of japanese names for unintentional defects...

granted some unintenional defects can add interest to a piece of pottery,
but in my eye, a crack is a crack and an accidental break is an accidental break, etc...

so i guess its just a language thing...

so now the english speaking potters need to come up with a term in order to describe defective pottery in order to make it seem somehow more desirable or attractive...

btw - no offense intended by anything i say doug !
(and i am sure that many will find the link useful in feeding their hunger for all things japanese)

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Post  Precarious on Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:16 pm

Oh, we already have plenty of alternate names for those sorts of things: reworked, option, incidental embellishment (which is my favorite), feature, added interest, free upgrade, one-of-a-kind... Some of these names should have been around when the liberty bell was made, so we could say it was given an alternate ring tone at no extra charge.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:28 pm

lol! ThumbsUp

incidental embellishment
my fav too, now !

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Re: cracked pots

Post  Leo Schordje on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:24 pm

My personal taste - they are cracked pots, definitely not freeze thaw resistant and to my mind something I would never buy, even if they were cheap. Well, most likely not buy, but if it was a crazy wonderful pot, maybe I''d over look the cracks. But in general, I'd say save your money.

You guys have already out-done my capabilities to crack a pot joke. Razz

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:18 pm

Leo Schordje wrote:You guys have already out-done my capabilities to crack a pot joke. Razz

whaddya talkin' about ???

you squeezed two drug references into one sentence !!! tongue

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Post  Precarious on Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:25 am

beer city snake wrote:
Leo Schordje wrote:You guys have already out-done my capabilities to crack a pot joke. Razz

whaddya talkin' about ???

you squeezed two drug references into one sentence !!! tongue


Rolling Eyes Razz

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Re: cracked pots

Post  nekotoban on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:23 am

beer city snake wrote:lol! ThumbsUp

incidental embellishment
my fav too, now !

Now I got a new knowledge of how to say kamakizu in English Laughing
Seriously, if I were you I wouldn't bet on it for two reasons.

1. One of kamakizu is seemed a fatal defect by observing the first photo(top right).
To me,  the outside kamakizu is  too noticeable.
2. I am picky.

I doubt the seller's response…I am not one of those "many Japanese  don't …", crack is crack. I do care.
It may depends on kamakizu's size, depth and place. Kamakizu tends to appear inside and  bottom of pots.



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Re: cracked pots

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:22 pm

Kevin,

I have a few pots with dither, that lend to the tree's quality.
Cracks would probably have to be mended if they would split the pot in two.

Depends on the tree to pot mating.

However, pots with cracks, usually end up with names of the maker, as do unusual body or glaze qualities, and probably would be pieces for display and not use.
A lot of that would be hooey, but a very rare few would be collector's items.

As usual - disposable income - very high, buy as you wish, lower, what you can afford or spare.

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Re: cracked pots

Post  kevin stoeveken on Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:58 pm

thanks nekotoban for the "local" point of view Wink

and yes khai... it does seem to be a rich person's past-time...
but it sure is fun to dance around their periphery and poke them with pointed sticks (aka verbal barbs) Twisted Evil

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