Chinese Elm- First repotting

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  kenikol on Thu May 07, 2015 10:36 pm

BobbyLane wrote:Here are some links that helped me, you will find them useful

http://bonsaibark.com/2009/11/02/pruning-deciduous-bonsai-2-chinese-elm/

http://www.cutebonsaitree.com/branch-rules.html

http://bonsaijournal.com/elm-pinching.php

http://blog.dallasbonsai.com/creating-chinese-elm-bonsai-part-1/

http://blog.dallasbonsai.com/creating-chinese-elm-bonsai-part-2/


Here are some threads and comments from members on here, ive learnt so much from every single one.

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t8418-chinese-elm-need-a-new-design

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t10332-chinese-elm

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t2285-clean-sweep-show-us-your-brooms

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t4044-oak-style-broom-elm-evolution

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t11595-pruning-chinese-elm

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t6174-ulmus-parvifolia-5-years-progression

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t2224-which-broom-a-chinese-elm-one


Its looking a lot better now, as others have said, prune off the the growth you dont want and concentrate in focusing the energy into the branches you want to keep, let the primary, secondary and tertiary branches grow out and in winter later winter you can tidy it all up again keeping within your broom image. you will have a better idea after reading all these links Wink

Start looking at some of the old Oak trees in the parks and take pics of how the branches grow, note the way on most deciduous trees, the primary branches want to rise up and the secondary branches sometimes droop..on some old trees the lowest branches are so heavy they either sag or go horizontal, but this isnt always the case, check the huge Oak in my avatar... really its all about figuring out what works well for your particular tree.


WoW...

Thank you for collecting all these information in one hand.
I check them and take a short look to all of them. I have to consider many things. First i have to read them, and after i have to understand them. Very Happy
Especially I love two of them:
http://www.cutebonsaitree.com/branch-rules.html
http://bonsaijournal.com/elm-pinching.php

I think the first task for me to let it grow the new branch system and after the winter prone them back. This will be a long journey, but I have time.
Until this time I have to eliminate the unwanted little branches from the main trunk and the middle of the tree to let the tree focus on the primary and secondary branches.

Thank you guys for the support. I will keep you up to date with photos.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  BobbyLane on Thu May 07, 2015 11:21 pm

Remember some of those branch rules are just guidelines, meaning you dont have to follow every single one. you only need to remove certain bits, if you think it enhances the tree. otherwise you'd have no tree left. you want everything going up and out, instead of straight up or straight down.
I agree with Yvonne, removing or reducing the thick trunk in the middle will enhance the tree and you wont miss it because there are other branches that can be wired or grown in that space.

Good luck mate

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  kenikol on Sat May 09, 2015 8:40 am

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Kenikol

The unwanted branches in the last photo should have ben removed as they emerged long time ago, as they will make a unwanted clump in the middle of the trunk, like the are now... now will they make problems with thick callus, when they are removed, but they should be removed now, if you dont want them....As they are now, would I consider to remove the trunk in the middle, and one of the thin branch in both sides, then you can avoid the unwanted clump.

Kind regards Yvonne

Hello Yvonne,

Could you please so kind and mark the branches and the trunk what you think I should remove? Because I think I'm not understand fully of your advise.
I think I should remove those little branches which start grow now and have 1-2 little leaves and comes from the trunk.

Thank you for your kind support.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  M. Frary on Sat May 09, 2015 1:39 pm

I'm hard on the elms but what I would do. And just did it to all of mine that I started last year. I cut the branches all the way back to 2 nodes. This does 2 things for you.
1. It begins taper in the branch. Branches on trees in the landscape have taper just like the trunk.
2. It starts the ramification process. When you cut it back like that the branch makes a fork where the 2 buds left grow out as branches. Once they reach desired thickness not length. Cut those back to 2 buds. They divide again into 2 more each. Now you have secondary branching. Just keep doing this and in a short time you will have tiny leaves and finely ramification banches. When I say a short time I mean 2 years.
These trees grow fast and take to this clip and grow method very well. This way you can get rid of the wires because as you do this it puts movement into the branches.
I need to figure out how to post pictures from a different site. Someone told me it was possible. Kevin?
I have examples of this cut back and grow method. I cut every tree I own back hard this year. I used to do the branches the way you do but I didn't like the way the trees looked. They still looked young. Straight taper less branches with little twigs on them.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  beer city snake on Sat May 09, 2015 2:40 pm

M. Frary wrote:   I need to figure out how to post pictures from a different site. Someone told me it was possible. Kevin?

me ?

i'm no techno techie but anytime you see an image on your computer, you should be able to "right click" and save it it to your computer... but if i recall correctly mike, you phone is your computer... and that, my friend, i cannot help you with...

you could also always just post a link to the other site you referred to... including our AAC blog

BUT can i ask you about the timing of the cut backs you described ?
like what time of year do you begin ?
and i assume it is a continuous process through the growing season once you do start... correct ?

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  akhater on Sat May 09, 2015 9:04 pm

M. Frary wrote:  
  I need to figure out how to post pictures from a different site. Someone told me it was possible. Kevin?

On the picture you can right click and Copy Image URL, then in your post [ img ]copied url[ /img ] without the spaces after and before the [ ]

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  M. Frary on Tue May 12, 2015 3:01 am

Hi Kevin.
I did the cutting back this spring when the buds started to swell. That is also I put wire on the small branches I will keep. As the tree grows it will push buds out everywhere. Rub off the ones that aren't going to be branches in your final design. One thing about elms is they will usually push out one or more buds at the base of the tree. Keep one and let it grow unchecked as a sacrifice branch to fatten the base.
This process does go on all year. Once the main and secondary branching is there all you really need to do is hedge trim it. With my seiju and large chinese elm I actually use scissors like a hedge pruner.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  beer city snake on Tue May 12, 2015 12:31 pm

thanks mike... i was mainly wondering when you started...

my big ol' elm, that i call elmer, has only been pruned via walter pall's hedge trimming method, up until this year, but now its getting time for the finer work...

thanks again

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  kenikol on Tue May 12, 2015 8:33 pm

Hello All,

I checked the tree last week and I noticed the wires is going into the little brenches. So I decided to cut out them and If it is necessary wired them again.
Aaaaand I bought a knob cutter tool so I can cut out the unnecessary parts from the tree.

The "trash":

Lighter for scale.

After the work with my new tool I take care of the cutted branches, sealed with cutting paste (I don't know the right word for it):



After the prouning, I put some wires into the branches, but two of them was too close to each other and they are really big branches so I decided separate them with the cutted branch:


The tree is cutted into the right shape and this is the results:


I'm still not sure about the front view of the tree but I try to figure it out.


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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  M. Frary on Wed May 13, 2015 3:38 am

. Got to watch the wire digging in and scarring the bark. One minute it's fine the next it's embedded in so far you can't get it out. They grow fast but like most decidious trees V it's better to get the wire on while the branches are young and flexible.
Looks like the canopy is going to better with what you've done.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  kenikol on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:59 pm

Hello,

a short update. The tree looks good after 3 weeks. Developed many new branches almost 6-7 leaf long. Now I cut them back to the right direction approximetly 2-3 leafes.

Before:


After:


What I cut down not throw it away. I try to root them. Clean the leafs and put some grooting hormon on them. I put the little branches into a wet soil and waterized them. For a better results I put a shopping bag (nylon bag) around them to increasy the % of moisture. The wire make a small space between the branches and the bag.


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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  Neli on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:34 am

I might try something like this if it was mine.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  Neli on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:35 am

Rotate 30 degree clock wise and take a picture.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  kenikol on Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:36 pm

Neli wrote:Rotate 30 degree clock wise and take a picture.

Hello,

please find the pictures:

Current Front view:





BTW:
How do you make theese picture? When you create a vision from a normal picture? There is a "how to" available for it?

Thank you.

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  Neli on Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:42 am

I use paint for windows and it takes me 5-6 min to make a virtual for a tree. I have done so many.
Here is a lesson how to do it.
All you need to learn is copy and paste and drug paste.
Here is a lesson on how to do it. Ask there if you dont understand.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202817406828276&set=oa.977949068888348&type=1&theater

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Re: Chinese Elm- First repotting

Post  leatherback on Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:38 am

Neli wrote:I might try something like this if it was mine.

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