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Post  kevin stoeveken on Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:32 pm

sorry for the title but "lesions on a juniperus virginiana" just sounds so... clinical.  Wink
and i didnt put this under "pest & diseases" as it looks more like growths rather than a pest or disease

anyways, i was doing some pre-season branchlette removal from a eastern red cedar forest i have planted in a cut-off cask



and came across a bunch of these things on some branches of several, but not all the trees
in situ:





close-ups:





and dissections:







so, like i said, to my untrained eye, it doesn't look like a pest or disease, but i could be wrong...
but if anyone knows what it is or if i should be concerned i would be most appreciative...

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:43 pm

Looks in second-to-last picture like a gall.  Trees also look very unhealthy and maybe dead.  J. virginiana turns ugly color in winter, but that light brown spells death w/o the transfiguation.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:08 pm

thanks jim... yes, i know they are in less than perfect health... i won a bucket full at in a raffle drawing and they were really crammed in there, so i separated them and stuck them in that cut off cask last spring... they didnt look bad last summer, but right now it is march in wisconsin, so i am hoping they rebound this spring if left unmolested (any further)...

so, what is a gall ???

and should i be concerned ?

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:26 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall

Here's a similar gall found on bald cypress -- in this case, one of mine, in Florida:


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Post  Oliver Muscio on Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:18 pm

Looks like cedar-apple rust galls to me. If so, may produce gelatinous protrusions this spring.
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Post  kevin stoeveken on Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:48 pm

thanks jim and oliver...

i just got back in from picking them off as best i can...

but per oliver i was now able to find this:

http://plantclinic.cornell.edu/factsheets/CedarAppleRust.pdf
(googling just "gall" was too general.)

but still pretty vague on how to treat other than fungicide and even that they couch in disclaimers Rolling Eyes


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Post  Leo Schordje on Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:59 pm

Oliver Muscio wrote:Looks like cedar-apple rust galls to me.  If so, may produce gelatinous protrusions this spring.
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I Agree! Before or as soon as you see the tell tale orange spore masses oozing out of the galls, remove them, bag and burn or dispose them, dont let the spores release and spread - it is a chronic problem with junipers and will spread to apples, its alternate victim. (equally ugly in apples) The infection is difficult to cure, diligent gall removal is mandatory.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:52 pm

damn... after pulling them off, i just tossed 'em on the ground...

didnt know i was dealing with the crichton's andromeda strain affraid

i will be more diligent now that i know

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:19 pm

The more I look at those pic the more certain I am that it won't matter for those trees.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:43 pm

you may be right...
maybe thats why they were tossed into the raffle Rolling Eyes

and if so, oh well... live and learn.

should know for sure sooner than later

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Post  Michael Cooper on Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:16 pm

I really think that unlike the title of a song by a certain singer and songwriter pair of artists the 'Leaves that are Green' they are almost assuredly are not and even if 'April Come She Will' it is may not save the tree from being 'Home Bound'

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:22 pm

sorry to rain on the naysayers parade, but this is the forest as of this weekend...
(the appearance of browning on the right is just that - an appearance due to an extra shaft of light coming thru the shade)



only found a coupla galls... been treating with a systemic...

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Post  JimLewis on Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:57 pm

Glad to see it -- and surprised.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:23 pm

by the way, michael... i neglected to acknowledge the cleverness of your gloomy prediction...
well done !

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