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New Pine Shohin

Post  olisteel on Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:20 pm

Hi All

It's my first post here.

Wonder if any one can help me with a couple of questions,

I have recently been given this pine shohin, unfortunately the person who gave it to me didn't know what species it is, can anyone tell me what it is?

Also it looks like its been a year or two since it has been trimmed, should i do this now, in the spring, or maybe a different time?

Thanks in advance

Oli



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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  Auballagh on Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:39 pm

From your picture, I count the needles growing as pairs.  A 2-Needle Pine.
It looks to be a relatively young tree, so it's hard to be certain, but it could be a Mugo Pine, Pinus mugo, a Japanese Black Pine Pinus thunbergii, or a Scotch (or Scots) Pine, Pinus sylvestris.

The Scotch/Scots Pine has naturally smaller growing needles, and those pine needles look pretty short on your tree.  But, if forced to choose, I would say it looks a lot like a young Mugo Pine.
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As far as trimming goes?  I remove unwanted new growth that has hardened off at this time of the year, pluck old needles and wire for shape.
I save hard pruning of major branches for late winter.  The tree is still basically dormant and doesn't bleed out sap so badly then, but it is also getting closer to the growing season at that time of year, so the wound can start healing faster.  A timing issue, that works if you, well....  have the time to follow and do it.  Otherwise, it's best to work on your trees when you have time and you are ready to do these necessary things, if free time to do these sorts of things is limited for you.
Hrrrmmmm...  Does that make any sense?


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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  olisteel on Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:14 am


That makes complete sense,

Thank you very much Auballagh


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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  tmmason10 on Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:34 am

Looks like a scots pine to me, though I'm no expert. Decent start to a shohin.

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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  augustine on Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:16 pm

I vote for mugo due to the way the numerous branches are coming off of the trunk, but am not positive. You'll find a good article about pine foliage management on this website:

Adamsbonsai.com - check in the articles or publications section. Julian Adams' advice can be trusted. Even though the weather is different in UK and USA the basic techniques are the same. Maybe you shouldn't prune this young plant too much but balancing the energy may be done.

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Post  fiona on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:02 pm

Whereabouts in the UK are you?

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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  olisteel on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:29 pm

Thanks very much augustine - i'll have a look now

Hi fiona, i'm in Kent, SE England

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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  fiona on Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:26 pm

There are a couple of good bonsai clubs in Kent if you dont already know.  They'd soon set you right in an identification which is always better done at first hand.

Once you have that vital identification, I'd get some tips from Harry Harrington's Bonsai4me website.

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Re: New Pine Shohin

Post  Vance Wood on Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:32 am

Definately a Mugo Pine.  I grow both Mugos and Scots Pines and this is not Scots though I understand they are close cousins.  You need to start eliminating branches and excess growth if you want to continue with a Shohin Mugo.  



One of My Mugos that I reduced and started working into a Shohin size last year.  This tree is about eight inches tall.  That's the nice thing about Mugos, they make very nice Shohin because of their ability to maintain small needles size.

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