J.B.pines in the West Indies / Caribbean - zone 13b

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:06 am

Well Folks,

as it goes, it's over 25 years of J.B.pines from seed. They are lush and we can get normal candles to form.

What works -

[1] A mix of 80% to 90% by volume builder's gravel [ silica ] and compost / Canadian peat moss [ rewnewable]/ coco peat. The inorganic is 5mm in size.

[b] A porous [ at least at the base ] pot. Earthenware or Concrete or glazed earthenware pot.

[2] Full sun

[3] Keep them well fertilised.

[4] Watering for us is 1 pass evening around 4.30 p.m and 2 passes in the morning. I still hand water with a watering can.

The training part - I am slowly learning what works for a Tropical climate, but the trees are lush.
This year candling began at the end of August and continued through September, some are still extending.

Most of the trees have extension branches for hopefully a nice thick trunk.

Have also learnt how to get cuttings to root, by simply dipping the cutting rooting powder and sticking in a mix of commercial peat moss and 5 mm gravel. Placement is early morning sun and then filtered light shade, through a pomegranate tree.
No more need for seeds, just selecting the best growing specimens for reproducing.
Later as I learn.
Khaimraj

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:54 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Well Folks,

as it goes, it's over 25 years of J.B.pines from seed. They are lush and we can get normal candles to form.

What works -

[1] A mix of 80% to 90% by volume builder's gravel [ silica ] and compost / Canadian peat moss [ rewnewable]/ coco peat. The inorganic is 5mm in size.

[b] A porous [ at least at the base ] pot. Earthenware or Concrete or glazed earthenware pot.

[2] Full sun

[3] Keep them well fertilised.

[4] Watering for us is 1 pass evening around 4.30 p.m and 2 passes in the morning. I still hand water with a watering can.

The training part - I am slowly learning what works for a Tropical climate, but the trees are lush.
This year candling began at the end of August and continued through September, some are still extending.

Most of the trees have extension branches for hopefully a nice thick trunk.

Have also learnt how to get cuttings to root, by simply dipping the cutting rooting powder and sticking in a mix of commercial peat moss and 5 mm gravel. Placement is early morning sun and then filtered light shade, through a pomegranate tree.
No more need for seeds, just selecting the best growing specimens for reproducing.
Later as I learn.
Khaimraj

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wow !
this should be moved to discussion where it will get some traffic !!!

if it does i have a couple comments/questions Wink

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:41 pm

Kevin,

happy to talk to you, but try and remember I am in the Tropics and even Miami, has a freezing winter. There isn't a lot I could share with anyone in the Sub-Tropics or Temperate zones - sadly.
I left the information here for anyone from the Tropics.
Later.
Khaimraj

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:34 am

Thats OK, K !
i just thought others in your zonal range would benefit...

and my comments were just along the line of: wow !

and a couple general questions:

thats 25 years from a seed ???

and what is the size of the tree ???

see ?
this should be under discussion,
not the lounge Wink

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:39 pm

Kevin,

here is the tree today. Bigger pot.Testing the Bonsai Today # 12 article on J.B.pine from seed and the Bonsai Today other articles on how to prune / prepare for training etc.

Started on the lower branches with needle removal and some candle cutting 7th Nov, then second level 17th November, and finally 27th top.
I allowed the 3 year old needles to stay on and let them tell me when they turned brown at the tips, to watch for removal, mechanically with a scissors or they turned brown and fell off.

I don't need to pluck the needles to inspire buds as this is happening naturally all of the time, as well as the over production of buds, so some sort of adaptation to the training process has to be developed.

Will now watch for reactions.

Next year, I shall go a bit further and then finally onto wiring etc.
Taking slowly.
Enjoy.
Khaimraj

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Post  arihato on Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:41 am

Great looking tree.
Just curious, as you have it already 25 years from seed, it does well with how you treat it. Do you do anything to get it in dormancy? Or do you skip that altogether..

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:40 am

Arihato,

you must be teasing me -" Great looking tree" Laughing

The thing is a mess, maybe next year around this time it will be tidy?
Thanks for responding by the way.

Around Christmas until February's end, it ceases to show signs of growing.However a gentleman from Germany informed my brother-in-law [ who is doing the J.B.pine research ] that they grow down to zone 10.
Additionally, there is another gentleman, Mr. Leo de Leon, who is also growing J.B.pines, I believe he is in Manila.
Also I understand they are grown in Hawaii, but they have zones in 10 and 9, I believe. We could ask Sam.

Guess we in the Tropics lucked out.The King of Bonsai is adaptable from seed at least.
Take care.
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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:19 pm

K - sounds like starting from seed is indeed the trick to getting those to work in the tropics,,,

i doubt that an established one from, say zone 5, would survive in tropics if suddenly moved there w/ no allowance for dormancy...

but as usual, i could be wrong !

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:37 pm

No Kevin,

you are quite correct. A plant nursery illegally imported about 20, 1 gal pots with J.B.pines from the US, some years ago,
they all faded and died. Soil was never changed and they were lush when they came down.

It is illegal to import Pines of any type into Trinidad, as they carry diseases that could affect citrus trees, as I was informed when I first made a request for a permit back in the early 80's.

I would encourage to try your hand with a J.B.pine, you are lucky, no need for seeds, just get one from x.
You can overwinter in a garage. Would it have to be mildly heated ?
Take care.
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:22 pm

Kevin,

just a bit more on J.B.pine seeds.

The packs from Japan, came with about 31 seeds [ dropped to 25 after a while ] and with a day's soaking, the floaters included were still planted individually in seed trays. I used the smallest I could find, because I discovered that after 6 months, one could lift the sapling out with the entire mass of soil.

What kills most seedlings down here is bare rooting. I tried the lift and cut bit for radial roots and lost almost all of the seedlings, same for close to 40 when I tried bare rooting and transplanting.
Back to what I call - the core - technique.

Anyhow, of the 31 seeds around 25 will survive, and after a year, all the odd ones will slowly die. So by two years you will be down to 15 or 10.
Out of these 5 or so will grow very well, and the other's I give away.

Now I take cuttings from the ones that have adapted.
I should have good stock in a few years to keep working with, like how I keep taking root cuttings off of the hackberrys from Lafayette, Louisiana.
Later.
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Post  kevin stoeveken on Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:06 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:I would encourage to try your hand with a J.B.pine, you are lucky, no need for seeds, just get one from x.
You can overwinter in a garage. Would it have to be mildly heated ?
Take care.
Khaimraj

actually K, its funny you should say that as i recently acquired my first JBP... pines seemed like such a different deal than broadleafs and junipers that i was shying away from them while i learned more about the too too many species i have quickly acquired... but one of our AAC members (brian da chopper) is well versed in JBP and said he'll coach me on what i need to do and when...

so yes, it is in my garage w/ minimal supplemental heat (just some heat mats set to go on at 32 and off at 33 F), but the JBP i have had been in the ground outside for a number of years, so i think he will find the garage quite cozy !

thanks !
you take care too and stay warm down there Wink

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Post  arihato on Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:45 pm

Khaimraj, maybe I was more looking at what is than at the ideal you have in your head. It has: great taper, first left branch is a bit too thick, trunk line has nice movement, it may need some un-cluttering, but all in all I would not push it off my bench.....

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:17 pm

Arihato,

here is what I hope for in about 10 years+
Presently, all the extra parts are being used for cuttings, as this pine never gave any problems with our climate.
Thanks again,
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