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Pinus Elliotii - first wiring

Post  Fox CWB on Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:01 pm

Hello all, good Easter,

This plant is about to 10 years old, and it was completely neglected for all this time;
The species is not so common to become bonsai but let´s try
This is the beginning of the work, I did the first style;
I hope the cat had enjoyed my work;
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Post  Vance Wood on Thu May 15, 2014 7:57 pm

I think you did a very nice job on wiring the tree. I wish you had given a few more details about the tree.

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Post  dorothy7774 on Thu May 15, 2014 8:06 pm

Styling is good. You trimmed the needles very short. You also pulled needles before cutting them? Let us know how the tree is doing in about 6 weeks and if it is shooting new buds. Thanks!

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Post  mikebonsai on Thu May 15, 2014 9:49 pm

Just a noobie question; Won't the needles that are cut die back? From what I can see all the needles were cut. I'm confused.

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Post  JimLewis on Thu May 15, 2014 9:54 pm

The cut tips sometimes/frequently turn brown, which is why if you plnt to show a tree with too-long needles they should be cut right before the show. But the needles shouldn't die.

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Post  mikebonsai on Fri May 16, 2014 5:57 am

Oh, okay. Does this apply to other pines such as Sylvestris and Mugo as well?

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Post  Xavier de Lapeyre on Fri May 16, 2014 10:21 am

Nicely done!
Its good to see other bonsaika using this species in bonsai.

Dorothy stay the master of elliottii in my book!
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Post  Fox CWB on Fri May 16, 2014 12:29 pm

Hi all,

thanks for the comments and replies.
I cut the needles short in order to keep the styling balanced, as well, I considered the risk to do a good job, as this kind of pine has long needles.
The tree is responding very well since the wiring, I will post an updated picture.

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Post  bottasegreta on Fri May 16, 2014 3:19 pm

I'm curious why you decided to style it the way you did? The trunk is beautiful, and you've assembled the foliage into a lovely canopy shape, but in doing so, you've sent all the branches in the exact opposite direction of the trunk. So the tree goes strong left (tree's right) then makes a complete 180 and "poof" -- canopy. Again, the overall silhouette is really lovely, but all those abrupt bends..... I"m curious why you opted for a canopy that was more picturesque rather than more horticulturally consistent. The trunk is so dynamic, I'm curious why you didn't continue that energy flow with the foliage.

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Re: Pinus Elliotii - first wiring

Post  fiona on Fri May 16, 2014 4:40 pm

Maybe his shelf isn't long enough for it that way.  Wink 


IMHO I think you answered your own question in your statement that he opted for something that was more "picturesque". I feel this way it has balance that would be overstretched had the foliage been as you suggest. Perhaps with a shorter trunk, your suggestion would have been a possibility, but my eye can't see it with this one.

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Post  Vance Wood on Fri May 16, 2014 7:37 pm

mikebonsai wrote:Oh, okay. Does this apply to other pines such as Sylvestris and Mugo as well?

If you are forced into cutting the needles on Scots or Mugo you are doing something wrong or your tree has only been in training for one year.

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Post  mikebonsai on Sat May 17, 2014 7:06 am

Hehe, I was just asking, I have no intention of doing so.

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Post  Vance Wood on Sat May 17, 2014 1:13 pm

mikebonsai wrote:Hehe, I was just asking, I have no intention of doing so.

I understand, but the question begged the response. Rather than leaving people who do not know, hanging about the issue, I addressed the question. You are looking to expand your knowledge and I was looking to share my knowledge.


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Post  mikebonsai on Sat May 17, 2014 1:16 pm

I understand, but I'm only trying to absorb knowledge, that's all.  Smile 

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Re: Pinus Elliotii - first wiring

Post  Fox CWB on Sun May 25, 2014 3:46 pm

Hi Dorothy,
as requested, follow the update of the tree. New buds starting to come.
I hope it keep on going well;




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Post  Tona on Mon May 26, 2014 12:50 am

Vance Wood wrote:
mikebonsai wrote:Oh, okay. Does this apply to other pines such as Sylvestris and Mugo as well?

If you are forced into cutting the needles on Scots or Mugo you are doing something wrong or your tree has only been in training for one year.

Although needle cutting is not uncommon in Japan.

http://bonsai.shikoku-np.co.jp/en/shugi/2009/02/post-7.html

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Post  Xavier de Lapeyre on Mon May 26, 2014 5:46 am

Thanks for this link, very interesting!

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Post  Diego PG on Sat May 31, 2014 8:56 pm

Bela planta cara....


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Post  dorothy7774 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:50 am

Fox CWB wrote:Hi Dorothy,
as requested, follow the update of the tree. New buds starting to come.
I hope it keep on going well;




That is great!

Best,
Dorothy

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Post  Fox CWB on Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:14 pm

The tree on 27th September 2014;


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Re: Pinus Elliotii - first wiring

Post  Xavier de Lapeyre on Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:28 pm

Wow very nice!
Mine are pulling new growth too, but have been a bit taken by other stuffs lately.
Will need to try to find some time to have a better look at them

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