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I need help with identification of a pine

Post  Orlando0341 on Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:59 pm

hi there,

first of all best wishes for 2014.
I need help with identification of a pine.I bought this plant 3 years ago,the person was unable to tell me what species it was.
I was more interested in deciduous trees at the time, bud that changed and now i am more interested in pine and conifers
i looked a lot on the web bud i am not sure what specie it is.
it has 2 leafs in a bundle i first thought it was a pinus sylvestris later i bought a pinus sylvestris bud the bark didn't match.
If anybody knows what species it is, please let me know.
Thanks

sorry for the pictures don't no how to put them straight. Sad 
















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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  fiona on Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:05 pm

Orlando0341 wrote:

sorry for the pictures don't no how to put them straight. 

It's best to make sure they are the correct way up in your picture storage before uploading them to there.

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  t tree on Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:06 am

I think it is a white pine of some sort the way you tell is if it has 2 nedles in one if it has 3 or more it is a red pine.

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Post  appalachianOwl on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:16 am

Possible mugo? white pine has 5 needle cluster. Some one help our friend out. Good luck

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Post  t tree on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:39 am

All the white pines have 2 needles red pines have 3,4,5 ec.

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Post  William N. Valavanis on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:05 am

All "white pines" have 5 needles per fascicle.

Japanese red, Scots, Mugho and Austrian pines have 2 needles per fascicle.

Pitch pines have 3 needles per fascicle.

There is also a pine with one needle per fascicle.

Sometimes some species mutate and have more than normal, but this is not generally true.

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ID of a Pine

Post  bonsaisr on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:10 am

It does look like mugo pine to me. Treat it like one & you won't be far off.
Some of you are confused. WHITE pines have FIVE needles. BLACK type pines, including red, etc., have TWO, sometimes three needles.
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Post  Randy_Davis on Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:17 am

Reminds me of Pinus edulus (Pinon pine) which has 2 needles per bundle. There is also a Single needle form called Pinus monophylla. Just a guess though. Don't know if they have Pinon pine in European nursery's.

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Post  t tree on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:20 pm

Randy_Davis wrote:Reminds me of Pinus edulus (Pinon pine) which has 2 needles per bundle.  There is also a Single needle form called Pinus monophylla.  Just a guess though. Don't know if they have Pinon pine in European nursery's.

I agree here i am sure that at least were i am that white pnes have 2 nedles and black/red pines have 3 or more.

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  JimLewis on Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:47 pm

i am sure that at least were i am that white pnes have 2 nedles

Don't be too "sure." In the USA, which is a very large area so not much help in your profile, white pines have FIVE needles per bundle -- always.

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  Orlando0341 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:04 pm

Thanks for the info.I have a mugo and the leafs are dark green and twisted but that's a dwaf specie.The leafs are very similar of a pinus sylvestris only the bark is different.Pinon pine i have never heard of but who knows.Mugo pine wil please me,i've seen Nice one's
i think i put it back in the ground for a few years.

I think white pine(Pinus parviflora)have 5 needles.

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  Orlando0341 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:29 pm

Hi,

Here is the progression of the tree so far.
I did not put it back in the ground,but cut the branches in two phases and styled it like this .I did not like the result at all.


After a few of month i did a make-over and made the backside the the new front,and i'm pleased with the result,for now.
If i'm going to repot the tree i have to tilt the tree a bit so that the lowest branch comes more to the front.


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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  MrFancyPlants on Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:31 am

Nice work! Did you ever get a definitive identification? The needles look too soft to be mugho, but maybe that an effect of the styling. I hope you give this plenty of time to get healthy after your styling. What type of soil?

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  GaryWood on Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:57 am

O, Pinus sylvestris, Scots Pine, has a very wide range. The artic circle to the Iberian peninsula is a "wide" range and can expect "some" variation. This is Scots pine and should be treated as such. Prune like any single flush pine. If in your climate you get double flush consistently then prune like double flush. Observation of growth characteristics is the critical part so stay attuned.

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Re: I need help with identification of a pine

Post  Orlando0341 on Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:11 am

Thanks,

I will take it slow with the tree.i'm still not 100% sure if it's a Mugo or a sylvestris due to the mix replies.I dug up a mugo from a garden 3 months ago and it do's not look the same.I'm planning to join a bonsai club and maybe they can give me the exact species.but i would not be suprised if Gary is right.
I will post the result of that.

The soil is 50/50 akadama/kiryu 

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