The Baobab by Pierneef

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The Baobab by Pierneef

Post  Andre Beaurain on Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:42 pm

Afternoon o ye Bonsai lovers

I was searching for images of Baobabs, because I want to chop a very tall Baobab of mine down to make two.  Then I came across this famous painting by the amazing South African artist Pierneef.  You will know him because,  the South African Flat crown style, the Pierneef is named after him.

Well this painting was sold for R13 506 119 thats £826 400 !!! in London in 2008  
My local tribesmen will find this incredible.  But look at his painting isn't it wonderfull.  There is 5 people sitting at the foot of the Tree, look at the size of it!

 He went to study under the Dutch masters at the turn of the century.  And hell it shows.  Do a search, and see his amazing mountain and Thorn tree paintings...



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Post  Russell Coker on Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:54 pm

Wonderful images Andre!

Thanks for again sharing your corner of the world.

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Post  MichaelJ on Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:33 pm

I love that style.

http://lexicon.typepad.com/bonsai_dilettante/2013/09/the-pierneef-style.html

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:00 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobus_Hendrik_Pierneef

Andre' we are not supposed to reproduce other than our own images on this site.

In the Wiki article, scroll down to -
Hardekoolbome - Bosveld (1945)

Rythms and patterns - nicely done.

Dar-es-Salaam (1926)

'n Somersmiddag, Bosveld (1928)
[ could train my Indoor Oak like those trees - Was Nicodemia d. now Buddleja i.]

http://www.tatham.org.za/0930.html

https://www.google.com/search?aq=hts&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4TSHB_en___TT342&q=Pierneef&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=_stNUtO2F5TCyAGx_ICIAQ

Beautifully, simplified images, almost like the old 1948 to 1970 paint by numbers [ sometimes seen on Ebay ] P.B.N.
Thanks Andre'
Later.
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Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:17 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobus_Hendrik_Pierneef

Andre' we are not supposed to reproduce other than our own images on this site.

Even if this is pictures of the painting floating around everywhere including art books for University ect.  Thats like saying that you cannot show a picture of the Mona Lisa to somebody.  Ridiculous.  I will not fall for it.


Beautifully, simplified images, almost like the old 1948 to 1970 paint by numbers [ sometimes seen on Ebay ] P.B.N.

What ...Now you got my blood boiling....Paint by numbers..... REALLY Khaimraj,   you obviously has never seen a Pierneef in real life, but before you make such a derogotory comment please educate yourself.  Thats like saying that the David was casted in Plaster of Paris from a mold.

This beauty was meant for inspiration.....
 I'm sorry for your comments, but you also studied art,  so you obviously  deliberately meant what you said and for it to be demeaning and mean-spirited.  


This is very hard for me to say to you today...but thats the point:  Love and Light my friend.

Thanks Andre'
Later.
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:52 am

Andre',

the image ban was placed by the moderators. It has something to do with copyright laws. I know because a year before you arrived, I placed images on this site and had them taken down with an explanation from the list owner.

Alas Andre', I am afraid you don't really understand painter talk. The early paint by numbers, if you take the time to study them, were made by highly skilled painters sitting down and creating beautiful patterns and decorations. They are not nonsense. I happen to have about 15 or so from the earliest known 1948 to the later stuff in 1970.
Hence the Ebay bit [ do you need my Ebay name to look at my purchasing history, as proof ?]

Apart from hanging them on my walls, I also use them to observe the aging of Titanium White in oil paint. Research into a fairly modern pigment before the problems were known with it's use or in aging.

Most painters before creating an image have to go throw the simplified image stage that Pierneef uses as a finished painting. We call it - an oil study - as opposed to an oil sketch.
It carries all the information for a given level when finishing a painting.

So I was not belittling anything. If so why would I have the book on his work in my Wish List on Amazon?
Or the fact that I knew of his work, years ago?
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:17 am

Andre',

these are examples of older PBN's look at how the foliage is massed, and then think about how I draw in possible images of bonsai for folk [ similar to PBN and Pierneef eh? ]
Information lightened to allow for the imagination to have a free run.

This is an oil study- my own - feel free to bash it as much as you want, get revenge for Pierneef.
[Then ask yourself why did I put up so much on him and desire to grow my Indoor Oak in his manner ?]



Later.
Khaimraj

Old Paint by numbers - look at the trees and foliage?
http://foundinithaca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_2214.jpg

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1960S-PAINT-BY-NUMBER-OCEAN-SEA-LIGHT-HOUSE-FRAMED-WOOD-GOLD-TRIM-/251348862736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a858f4710

This one was the inspiration for my water/streams to come at Mayaro -

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4037/4519963110_78496101a7_z.jpg

http://cdn.honestlywtf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/PbN-2.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?aq=&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4TSHB_en___TT342&q=paint+by+numbers&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=I5BOUtTeONSt4AOdrYCgDQ#hl=en-GB&q=vintage+paint+by+numbers&safe=off&tbm=isch&um=1&imgdii=_

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Post  Guest on Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:42 pm

Hi Andre

I enjoyed your paintings of the trees very much, they are realy telling a story about a mans love for this kind of trees...you must be proud of the painter and this african style Smile 

Strange later to read about " painted by numbers"

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:47 pm

O Russel Thank you, I got my knickers in such a knot this morning that I forgot to thank you.... for your wisdom and great taste  Wink  !

and thanks Yvonne,  yes lets not mention 'Paint by numbers' again in the same page as Pierneef.  Out of respect!

Kaimraj...I'm still not talking to you...tongue

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:53 pm

Wow, Andre' you must really be angry with me, mispelled my name again tongue 
And I took the time to logically explain, with images.
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Re: The Baobab by Pierneef

Post  fiona on Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:10 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote: And I took the time to logically explain, with images.
You could always send him a PBN image. Twisted Evil 
Anyway, I'm sure André is being all big and grown up about it. I like the paintings precisely because they have that simplistic charm, yet I am sure that belies a fair degree of artistic technique. I seem to remember reading some years ago that some people thought the pointilists were also a bit like PBN (or join the dots) yet I don't suppose many would accuse them of being anything other than good artists.

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:27 pm

Hahahaha

Fiona you are so evil...  

And dammit...again the bloody 'H'

Don't feel bad, K'H'aimraj ...Ricochet, our newest member, thinks that I'm a girl. I still don't have the heart to correct him...... I must be very charming tongue 

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:42 pm

Yes, Fiona,

that's it the rythmns and patterns [ simplistic charm] takes a lot of thought to do well.

I am sorry Andre', I like the older PBNS and enough to own a few.
With time I might just get a Pierneef or two.
Now you know how off well I am [ eh Russell C. ha ha ha]

Fiona,
I gather the policy has changed towards images taken off-line ?
Since no one is making a fuss ?

Laters folks.

Andre' my indoor oak 16th Feb.2011 defoliated - as I get a shot you can see it today/tomorrow . Amazing perfume from the flowers


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Post  fiona on Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:53 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote: Fiona,
I gather the policy has changed towards images taken off-line ?
Since no one is making a fuss ?
Not really. The AUP makes it quite clear that images shouldn't be used without the owner's permission. But there's a world of a difference between using an image as if it were one's own and what appeared here. André indeed has a point that pics of the paintings are freely available on t'internet and in text books and I found some apparently copyright-free versions. Crediting the source can also be acceptable in certain circumstances where there is no clear "owner".

However, to be on the safe side, I'd advise that people do what you did and post links to the relevant location. Then there's no doubt. Very Happy 

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:58 pm

Thanks Fiona.

Oh Andre',
just in case. I am well aware that you are a man. The accent next to the e', is how we acknowledge that this is a French name for a man.
Remember I also had a good school friend called, Andre', his thick silver hand band [ i.d.band ] had his name cut out and spelt with the accent as well.
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Re: The Baobab by Pierneef

Post  Andre Beaurain on Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:41 pm

IMAGES FROM:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16209/lot/329/

Geez did I have to surf again to obtain these....  then I realize how many sites there is, showing the exact photos.  Must I mention them all?  affraid 

I'll start in Graaf Reinett at the National Pierneef Museum....  but O'dear...I'll be here a very long time indeed....  

Feeling better K h aimraj ?  You are such a tell tail tongue

Fiona dear.... the things you have to do.....Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven Like a Star @ heaven 

Good Night

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:00 am

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pierneef_1935_South_West_African_Landscape_with_Termite_Hill,_Umbrella_Trees_and_Mountains_in_the_Background.jpg

a termite hill.....




This  came from Panels which he did as a commision at the Johanesburg station   32 panels in all!  Of courser they are not here anymore. ( http://versindaba.co.za)



Another Baobab etch from  http://www.5thaveauctions.co.za/June08/art1.html



This one I have shown before...from  :http://boereafrikana.com/Kuns/Kunswerke.htm

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