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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:08 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Kakejiku

The collors you speak about  mauve/Cherry/Purple, is not really what I see on my pc...the collor is a kind of Brown, maybe with a hint of bordaux...and the green, is pale and dry.

So what you want to show with the actual real collors, do I not gett...sorry.

Kind regards Yvonne
I guess you would have to buy it to see the colors that I have discussed...There is not brown and there is no green in this scroll...

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Re: Which season

Post  gman on Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:46 pm

Is it for sale Very Happy 

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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:58 am

gman wrote:Is it for sale Very Happy 
Direct selling is a no-no on IBC website...you will have to PM me for details. Mainly I was using this as a warm up to discussion at the American Bonsai Society lecture to help people see opportunities in setting up displays.
Keep in mind this is a large (long) scroll. Dimensions as follows...
Name in (English) Bun Size in Inches Other Information
天 Ten 101 12.05 天 ベンベルグ 無地 国防色
上中廻し Ue Chuumawashi 30 3.58 中廻し ベンベルグ 柄 若紫
上一文字 Ue Ichimonji 9 1.07 一文字 金襴 柄 小
紙本の幅さ Artwork Width 85 10.14 軸先 陶器 紫
紙本の長さ Artwork Length 295 35.19 掛け紐 薄茶
柱 Pillars 13 1.55 風帯幅 N/A
下一文字 Shita Ichimonji 6 0.72 風帯すき間 N/A
下中廻し Shita Chuumawashi 20 2.39 桐箱幅さ
地 Chi 45 5.37
掛け軸の幅さ Scroll Width 111 13.24
掛け軸の長さ Scroll Length 497 59.29


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Re: Which season

Post  Guest on Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:31 am

Kakejiku wrote:
Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Kakejiku

The collors you speak about  mauve/Cherry/Purple, is not really what I see on my pc...the collor is a kind of Brown, maybe with a hint of bordaux...and the green, is pale and dry.

So what you want to show with the actual real collors, do I not gett...sorry.

Kind regards Yvonne
I guess you would have to buy it to see the colors that I have discussed...There is not brown and there is no green in this scroll...
It comes as kind of shock......please next time, take the Photo outdoors...

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:21 pm

dick benbow wrote:
Same Artist...different thread....http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t13756-scroll-ii-made-in-japan

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Re: Which season

Post  stonener on Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Sock? Wait! What?
The Colors look fine on my pc?...Suspect 
one picture equals a thousand words
kakejiku Bird done in Indian ink! right?...Suspect 
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*outside what?*


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Re: Which season

Post  Guest on Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:30 pm

stonener wrote:Sock? Wait! What?
The Colors look fine on my pc?...Suspect 
one picture equals a thousand words
kakejiku Bird done in Indian ink! right?...Suspect 
stonener
*outside what?*
Hi Stonener

How will you know if the collors look right on your PC?

Unless Kakejiku take a Photo outside, or explain the collors used.

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Re: Which season

Post  stonener on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:14 am

Hello Ms Yvonne
Colors have been described in detail, read back a little!
even close ups offered on some of the newer works.
Cloth is also dark on my pc, that's why I said feels warm!
If pc problem would it not be with everything viewed?
On my Daruma & Samurai stones you were 100% accurate!
"not hard when even colors are in the right place" you said
also on wood colors of my most recent daiza! accurate
Maybe as you have said before "it's the Language"
stonener
*why always*

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Re: Which season

Post  Guest on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:08 am

Hi Stonener

I dont want to argue about it...but my reaction to the collors on this tread, was when Kakejiku described the collors for the first time...not before.

No reason to talk about other treads, makes no sense

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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:15 pm

This thread started out well with good discussion and ideas by several members, but has devolved into bickering and fighting over small points.

1. I understand that computers screen qualities vary greatly...some may have difficulty viewing the colors as they truly are...because I am not the most detailed photographer. However there is a hint about the colors based upon the brass light fixture in the middle of the screen. Go back to compare in your mind.
2. My statement about purchasing the scroll, may have sounded rude, and I apologize. But maybe it would make more sense to see it in person. I am not going to hang a scroll outside in the UV rays and wind on something that has taken over 24 hours of painstaking labor to complete.

Now, if you want to go back to the original question, I asked how does the color arrangement work for either displaying in the Autumn, or late winter to anticipate Spring.
I gave two examples of natural Japanese plants that would possibly represent the colors in the scroll. If you have other ideas, please let me know. (Khaki on Ten/Chi, a pink/purple mix on the chuumawashi middle)

これから脱線しないでください。Please don't get off track from here.

Reflectively,

Jonathan

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Re: Which season

Post  Guest on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:47 pm

No need to appologise...I return later Again, after thinking.

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Re: Which season

Post  stonener on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:00 am

J-san Again! IMHO!...Embarassed 
I think cloths colors were chosen to warm up the feeling of mid or late winter, like a small fire,...
or match colors of late blooming trees or garden fall flowering plants. Maybe just trying,
To keep the chill away of hard cold winter days coming up? next season forward.
And if for Late fall, can be see as earlier, longer nights, low levels of sun light.
warm windy days, colors of trees, of fallen leafs on ground, of dry or dead grasses.  
IMHO projecting warmth to both seasons, but feeling of dead winter not far off.
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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:02 am

I don't think anyone was disruptive per se, I just thought the thread needed to get back on track.
So, here is a point for everyone to consider in cloth selection. What I have tended to see from Bonsai
Artists is the recommendation to go with very neutral, earthtone 装地 Kireji (cloths on scrolls) to display with bonsai.
I see this as artists trying to
1. Not detract from the tree/stone and
2. To attempt to match the season for display.

But from an alternative perspective, when I was studying with my Sensei this past summer, he brought up some
points I had never thought about regarding use of warm/cool colors. He said, if the painting is depicting a summer season,
then often times the 表具師 Hyougushi (scrollmaker) attempts to use the opposite of the cool colors. He asked me why? I said I do
not know, and he said if you are looking at the painting and it evokes feelings of warmth in you, then using the cool colors in the cloth can
help negate or minimize those feelings and make the viewer more comfortable...I had never thought of it that way, but it sure gave me
more things to think about when I am designing the scrolls.

Comments/Thoughts?

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Re: Which season

Post  Guest on Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:50 am

Hi Kakejiku

What you explained is also common used in the kimono...

In a desert on a restaurant, was some of the food on the plate white...."it looks like snow, it will make you feel cooler in the summerheath"

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Re: Which season

Post  dick benbow on Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:48 pm

I was an ART major in school and wanted to teach high school art as my subject in my college education.

As I study japanese thought as it relates to art it has been a long learning curve. my first awareness came in trying to learn sumi-e.
Learning to load the brush to get the correct corresponding toneality was most difficult. It was interesting to have you share what you learned this summer jonathan. Thank-you. so much consideration one must give before acting upon the initial thought.

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Re: Which season

Post  stonener on Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:03 pm

I agree it takes feelings not words to express thoughts projected,
especially difficult for me! as I have been tough to cover up feelings.
no words as in Toko no ma style not easy...
Thank You! J-san for your Patients & Willingness to Teaching us!
we are as koi climbing the waterfall, struggling to become a dragon!
Your a "Gate Keeper" for sure...Basketball
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*Doumo Arigatou Gozaimashita*

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Re: Which season

Post  Kakejiku on Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:24 pm

This little birdie has now found a home in the East Coast of the US....Hope it provides much pleasure...Very Happy 

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Re: Which season

Post  stonener on Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:43 pm

Well Ya! was bound to happen, just a matter of time!
Till someone fell in love with it! as much as I did...Basketball 
Quality work sells it self there's no need to push it,
Most people can tell right away! Bravo J-san...ThumbsUp
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*knew it*

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