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Japanese Byoubu

Post  Kakejiku on Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:41 pm

It was stated by another member on this forum how to display bonsai in a western style house. Byoubu are a good option. They provide a good backdrop to which you can place your bonsai (shohin). This one I made in Japan under the guidance of my Sensei.

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Post  stonener on Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:25 am

WoW! J-san very nice results! great job Bro...
Now that skill could come in handy someday I would think!.
that screen looks exactly like what I've been looking for!
Let me know if your ever going to try making any more
You can put me down for two! twice the Length & Height
in a brown and in a black version if possible.
I have never run across any available anywhere before.
Would work great for my table top displays.
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Post  dick benbow on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:49 pm

I too am enamoured with the screens Smile

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Post  stonener on Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:07 pm

Ok! J-san I'll bite!
Who's the guy with the big hammer and funny shoes?
Reminds me of Marvel Comics Super Hero "Thor"
Well except for the outfit...Basketball 
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Post  Kakejiku on Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:20 pm

stonener wrote:WoW! J-san very nice results! great job Bro...
Now that skill could come in handy someday I would think!.
that screen looks exactly like what I've been looking for!
Let me know if your ever going to try making any more
You can put me down for two! twice the Length & Height
in a brown and in a black version if possible.
I have never run across any available anywhere before.
Would work great for my table top displays.
stonener
*I'm sold*

Working on the frames for the larger ones as we speak. 1 Shaku 5 Sun by 2 Shaku. The only Tori no Ko I have right now is Eggshell and a lavender with flower background...Brown or black would have to order from Japan...

(You know this is one of the seven lucky gods...this one just happens to make the money....hence the Japanese reference about good fortune above.)

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Post  stonener on Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:16 am

For give me! J-san
still new to the lingo, but desperately trying.
I was asking about the frame colors, outside wood borders?
I would prefer the gold speckling pattern that you have used.
Neutral and perfect for what I need, but size matters...Basketball 
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Post  Kakejiku on Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:50 pm

stonener wrote:
I was asking about the frame colors, outside wood borders?
*expand on money god*

Understood about the wood...will probably stain black....
Link to learn more about the Daikokuten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikoku-ten

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Post  stonener on Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:59 am

OH YA! J-san Links are really cool!
Thanks for the hook up...Basketball 
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Post  Chris Cochrane on Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:28 pm

Placing a bonsai (or suiseki_) in front of a screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture is NOT elegant Japanese style. It telegraphs ignorance of folding screens in traditional display. Of course, in undisciplined display you can do what you wish; it would be no less authentic than depending upon Japanese language rather than appreciation of choice & arrangement in a limited space to engage guests.

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Post  Kakejiku on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:20 pm

Chris Cochrane wrote:Placing a bonsai (or suiseki_) in front of a screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture is NOT elegant Japanese style.  It telegraphs ignorance of folding screens in traditional display.  Of course, in undisciplined display you can do what you wish; it would be no less authentic than depending upon Japanese language rather than appreciation of choice & arrangement in a limited space to engage guests.


In the Gaddou (雅道) form of Bonsai/Suiseki Display Byoubu are commonly used to display with Bonsai and Suiseki....There are many different ways to display (Sendou, Keidou, etc.) Each is one color in the spectrum of the display rainbow, but to say one method or style is Traditional & Disciplined and another is ?Avant Garde? and Undisciplined seems to be your opinion only...BTW Doll furniture Byoubu are usually not made with a real Kamachi, and do not have true Tori no Ko...

Your tone in this response is quite disrespectful and I would have expected a little more tact from a moderator.

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Post  Guest on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:01 pm

Kakejiku wrote:
Chris Cochrane wrote:Placing a bonsai (or suiseki_) in front of a screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture is NOT elegant Japanese style.  It telegraphs ignorance of folding screens in traditional display.  Of course, in undisciplined display you can do what you wish; it would be no less authentic than depending upon Japanese language rather than appreciation of choice & arrangement in a limited space to engage guests.


In the Gaddou (雅道) form of Bonsai/Suiseki Display Byoubu are commonly used to display with Bonsai and Suiseki....There are many different ways to display (Sendou, Keidou, etc.) Each is one color in the spectrum of the display rainbow, but to say one method or style is Traditional & Disciplined and another is ?Avant Garde? and Undisciplined seems to be your opinion only...BTW Doll furniture Byoubu are usually not made with a real Kamachi, and do not have true Tori no Ko...

Your tone in this response is quite disrespectful and I would have expected a little more tact from a moderator.  

I had not seen Kakejikus responce, but had asked arround in Japan....It appears Kakijeku is absolutely right in hes reply. It is also my result.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  stonener on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:24 am

"NO WORDS"  Tokonoma Style...stonener

   

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:02 pm

Chris Cochrane wrote:Placing a bonsai (or suiseki_) in front of a screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture is NOT elegant Japanese style.  It telegraphs ignorance of folding screens in traditional display.  Of course, in undisciplined display you can do what you wish; it would be no less authentic than depending upon Japanese language rather than appreciation of choice & arrangement in a limited space to engage guests.

Sjoe Chris!  This is a bit much, woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morn?Suspect

I think when you said ...'screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture'  is a bit of an insult? dont you think?  Well no less than the rest of your statement.  Maybe there is something going on that we dont know of?  Shocked 

I will try and keep out of it,  hihihhihihhihihi Twisted Evil    Razz Razz Razz  Bring it on!....   a joke I swear!

Obviously you feel very strong about displays being traditional.    We dont all feel like that.........., in fact I think a Tokonoma reminds me too much of a shack,Laughing  and not something I would put in my house, well for one thing it wont fit with my  decor, a bit like finding a women  with a Burka in a Catholic Church........Razz 

Of course when one enters compititions one must fit the profile,  I will give you that,   but at home...., traditional Japanese display does NOT fit  with the  contempory western Interior.  and that my dears is a Fact.

Kakejiku love your Kinpaku Byubu.....  and I, for one, will  slap stones, bonsai, suseki, ikabana, kusimono and a few paraphernalia in front of it, and all my friend will think....wow he's done it again, blooming bastard!!!!Razz Razz Razz

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:24 pm

Chris Cochrane wrote:Placing a bonsai (or suiseki_) in front of a screen appropriate for Japanese doll furniture is NOT elegant Japanese style.  It telegraphs ignorance of folding screens in traditional display.  Of course, in undisciplined display you can do what you wish; it would be no less authentic than depending upon Japanese language rather than appreciation of choice & arrangement in a limited space to engage guests.

Aww, come on, Chris, give us some leeway and allow for some Western improvisation.


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Post  Guest on Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:21 pm

Hi Jim

As Kakejiku already said, is the use of this kind of screen for bonsai or-, also not a problem in Japan...love the 2 cats.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Kakejiku on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:45 pm

I guess my answer was a little polarizing and I perhaps sounded a little too harsh...Because I do not do the bonsai, I was just placing this piece that I purchased at an antique fair in Hashimoto Japan. I never intended it to be elegant, what I was pointing out was that we should try to explore more. One aspect of display is cultural storytelling, but it is very hard to do without the references involved....For example my wife's parents had an owl in their Toko no Ma, and I did not understand why until she explained the alternative meaning of another set of characters for owl.

I also think that Americans/Europeans/South American bonsai artists should incorporate their own cultural backgrounds into the storytelling...I have some ideas we will do at the upcoming ABS convention in NY...Will send pics later...


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Post  stonener on Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:33 pm

"No less authentic"? wait what?...
I do play with Japanese dolls! all the time!
Their called bonsai, suiseki, okimono & kusamono
"Traditional" am forever striving to accomplish...Basketball 
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