What? E. Red Cedars (J. virginiana) with movement?!?! Yamadori Q

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What? E. Red Cedars (J. virginiana) with movement?!?! Yamadori Q

Post  appalachianOwl on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:53 pm

Hullo all! Before the questions start rolling, just want to say thanks to everyone involved here, a vast amount of knowlege has pooled here. Doing some research on the subject of juniper yamadori, the one thing i am left wondering is it ok to reduce the braches proir to collection? Found two out of hundreds with beautiful movement and the "usable aspects" of the tree low enough and foliage tight enough on the trunk to develope, rather unusual for it's natural growing habbit. A little large at the moment though, would reducing now and collecting in spring be ok? Any expeince/advice/tips would be geatly appreciated.

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this thing is still alive! (barely but it is) had share, such awesome beings!

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Post  sunip on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:17 pm

Hello,
I would make those intended cuts and wait for one or two growing seasons to collect them.
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Post  JimLewis on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:57 pm

Agree. At least two.

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Post  appalachianOwl on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:42 pm

Sorry did not specify the orange marks are not where i intend to cut now, but where the "useable" part starts. Only planned to top the first one just a bit for transportation(please let me know is this is still not ok, will listen), however the second one is quite a bit larger so advice given will be put to use. Thanks for quick reponses aswell.

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Post  Hoo on Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:50 pm

Interesting movement. Glad to see E. red cedars being used. Very underutilized IMO. Good luck with whatever you end up doing, keep updating and thanks for sharing.

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Post  sunip on Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:00 pm

Hello
I do not know this specific species and the conditions locally.
Generally spoken this sort of trees (like juniper) can lose some roots but they need the energy of the green needles to regrow roots.
The energy is coming from the young green mainly, when this green is cut by more then 20% the tree is in serious stress.
That is why i suggested a save way by cutting the green first and let the tree grow some new green closer tho the base and collect after the tree recovered from this and can support new rootgrow after collection.
Save some miccorhizzum from the original location the roots will benefit, place the tree frost free and mist the green.
I think it is the best is to hear somebody with experience of this species locally.
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Post  Orion on Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:07 pm

Really glad to see someone taking a crack at this species. In PA they pop up just about everywhere and I was never sure as to the suitability for bonsai material. They appear to be prolific growers lend themselves to some really nice options. One the downside, they seem to grow on the leggy side, but then again I've no experience in working on them.

Good luck with it.

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Post  appalachianOwl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:37 pm

Thanks for the more indepth info sunip, will take advice given and be patient. One of the many aspects of bonsai am drawn to is the time factor, psshhhhh to instant gratification, good things are worth a wait. Thanks awell Hoosteasdy and Orion, there is a beautiful "bunjin" i think, E. red cedar at the NC arboretum, only one have seen in person though. Will be sure to update in the future (next year). Thanks again all, think i have a clear vision now, anyone with any more useful/helpful info though i've got open ears.

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Post  sunip on Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:11 pm

Hello,
The best advise i can think of is:
To get yourself enough trees to work with,
that way giving a tree a chance to recover and do his own part, will be easier.
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Post  DreadyKGB on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:27 pm

The book Bonsai From The Wild By Nick Lenz has a section about red cedar as bonsai. It is a great book especially for those from the east coast because he discusses mostly species that are found there. If you don't have a copy get one. You will be happy you did.

Todd

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Post  appalachianOwl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:44 pm

I like it Sunip. Very Happy Will be sure to keep this book in mind, thanks for the recomendation, Todd. Cuts made this afternooon ,during a beautiful snow fall, will update in at least two grow seasons. Thanks all for question answered and more...

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Post  Orion on Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:41 am

DreadyKGB wrote:The book Bonsai From The Wild By Nick Lenz has a section about red cedar as bonsai. It is a great book especially for those from the east coast because he discusses mostly species that are found there. If you don't have a copy get one. You will be happy you did.

Todd

ditto on the Lenz recommendation

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