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My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:22 am

Hello all IBC members, happy new year to u all.

Few weeks ago I bought this juni from my friend, I think its age is around ~15 years.
I peaked it in particular because its tall - 1.5 m- I like it very much. since I want to give him the first style in these days, I'll be very
glad if anyone could sagest any idea how to design it from here. here how it looks like:







Thank you for advance ThumbsUp

Efi


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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:36 am

Cut off about 5 inches above first branch, make shari of that, bend everything down in a bunjin style, carve the trunk on the side away from the single branch.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  leatherback on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:58 am

How are your bending skills? You won't get bends as extreme as this in the trunk, for sure. But maybe it may serve as inspiration?

http://www.bonsaiempire.nl/images/08-juniper-bonsai-blasco-paz.jpg


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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:29 pm

Billy M. Rhodes wrote:Cut off about 5 inches above first branch, make shari of that, bend everything down in a bunjin style, carve the trunk on the side away from the single branch.

Hi Billy,

Is that the direction you mean ?



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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:36 pm

leatherback wrote:How are your bending skills? You won't get bends as extreme as this in the trunk, for sure. But maybe it may serve as inspiration?

Hi leatherback and thx.

this is certainty beautiful tree. is it really a result of bending ?


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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Russell Coker on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:37 pm



efishn wrote:
Billy M. Rhodes wrote:Cut off about 5 inches above first branch, make shari of that, bend everything down in a bunjin style, carve the trunk on the side away from the single branch.

Hi Billy,

Is that the direction you mean ?



thanks



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:59 pm

Russell Coker wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK Russell.... thank u. ThumbsUp

What exactly I didn't understood ?

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Russell Coker on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:18 pm




WWPD??

(What Would Pavel Do?????)


You have SO MANY options... probably too many, especially if you don't have much experience. Hopefully others here will offer virtuals and sketches. No need to rush into anything. You can always take away, but putting back is a bitch.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  JimLewis on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:42 pm

Yeah. I don't like either suggestion.

If you can't think of anything to do with a tree, that often means the tree is not ready. Sit and stare at it until it is. It could be a year or two.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Russell Coker on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:56 pm

JimLewis wrote:If you can't think of anything to do with a tree, that often means the tree is not ready. Sit and stare at it until it is. It could be a year or two.


Actually, I think it means the person working on the tree is not ready!

One of the things I hate seeing on this forum is an inexperienced person hacking a great piece of material back to nothing. One day they'll look back at pictures and think "Boy, I really screwed up that one!".


WWPD??

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  crust on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:11 pm

OMG the phone at the base is weathered and ancient.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:32 pm

Regardless of the other comments, on you last idea, I would shorten the shari some and then bend the remaining branch way down.
Bending techniques: don't water for a few days, wet some raffia in warm water, wrap the branch tightly with the warm, wet raffia, then with wire and bend. The raffia helps protect the bark.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  leatherback on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:05 pm

efishn wrote:
Hi leatherback and thx.

this is certainty beautiful tree. is it really a result of bending ?

I have no idea. Probably partially. But the main trunk I do not think so. Or it is a tree that was formed over many years (decades) of growing & styling. I just love it, and thought I'd share the idea with you Wink

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:33 pm

leatherback wrote:I have no idea. Probably partially. But the main trunk I do not think so. Or it is a tree that was formed over many years (decades) of growing & styling. I just love it, and thought I'd share the idea with you Wink

Thank you leatherback.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Twisted Trees on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:59 pm

Perhaps you do not wish to hear this but I would find a better specimen to start with. This one looks like it needs to be drastically pruned and then put back in the ground for a while.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:01 pm

Twisted Trees wrote:Perhaps you do not wish to hear this but I would find a better specimen to start with. This one looks like it needs to be drastically pruned and then put back in the ground for a while.

IMHO, these don't back bud well.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:21 pm

JimLewis wrote:Yeah. I don't like either suggestion.

If you can't think of anything to do with a tree, that often means the tree is not ready. Sit and stare at it until it is. It could be a year or two.

Hi Jim,

I totally agree with you Jim. Smile I didn't say that I don't know what to do with this tree. actually I have 2-3 options in my head. but I'm not sure about them (only 8 moths in bonsai- sorry).

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  JimLewis on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:22 pm

Russell Coker wrote:
JimLewis wrote:If you can't think of anything to do with a tree, that often means the tree is not ready. Sit and stare at it until it is. It could be a year or two.


Actually, I think it means the person working on the tree is not ready!

One of the things I hate seeing on this forum is an inexperienced person hacking a great piece of material back to nothing. One day they'll look back at pictures and think "Boy, I really screwed up that one!".


WWPD??

We've ll done that. And, you know, it doesn't matter. We learn from our screwups (or we hope we do). Regrets make us vow to do better next time. We'll get better -- or we'll decide that bonsai isn't for us.

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  sunip on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:52 pm

Hello Efishin.
It is good to realize and accept one is a beginner but then dare!
Take the opportunity to learn both, the theoretical and by doing.
I was thinking of a demonstration video of a similar juniper Bill Valavanis worked on,
he split the trunk to bend it.
It was on the forum somewhere but i could not dig it up, maybe someone can?
Sunip Wink

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  efishn on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:30 pm

sunip wrote:Hello Efishin.
It is good to realize and accept one is a beginner but then dare!
Take the opportunity to learn both, the theoretical and by doing.
I was thinking of a demonstration video of a similar juniper Bill Valavanis worked on,
he split the trunk to bend it.
It was on the forum somewhere but i could not dig it up, maybe someone can?
Sunip Wink

Hi Sunip,

I already saw this video of Bill Valavanis and many others too.
BDW I know how to bend, to split, to wire and other technics. its truth that I'm only 8 months in the business, but I spent every single day in that period of time in learning. I have the feeling that the guys here analyse me rather than the tree Very Happy

Anyway, thank you very much





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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Vance Wood on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:36 pm

efishn wrote:
sunip wrote:Hello Efishin.
It is good to realize and accept one is a beginner but then dare!
Take the opportunity to learn both, the theoretical and by doing.
I was thinking of a demonstration video of a similar juniper Bill Valavanis worked on,
he split the trunk to bend it.
It was on the forum somewhere but i could not dig it up, maybe someone can?
Sunip Wink

Hi Sunip,

I already saw this video of Bill Valavanis and many others too.
BDW I know how to bend, to split, to wire and other technics. its truth that I'm only 8 months in the business, but I spent every single day in that period of time in learning. I have the feeling that the guys here analyse me rather than the tree Very Happy

Anyway, thank you very much





Not meaning to be rude or condescending but when you come here with the kind of material you arrived with, and asked the advise you asked, then follow that up with the revelation that you have only been doing bonsai for 8 months (not even enough time to demonstrate the ability to go through a potting cycle) you can't fault the folks here for treating you as a beginner. The truth is you are a beginner, face the fact you cannot become a master or even intermediate level in 8 months. There is one thing that measures success in bonsai and that is time.


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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  sunip on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:51 pm

Hello Guys.
This all have been sad.
Here some kick off, note i do not really know the tree 3D
just some playing and cheer up.
Here are some bends in the trunk what would lead to some possible design in the future.
Sunip Wink

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Re: My new Juniper - first style

Post  Guest on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:32 am

my recommendation is when designing a tree draw it out. draw the possibilities draw what the tree will allow as a design draw keeping in mind what you as a bonsai artist can do technique wise

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Juniper

Post  dorothy7774 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:27 am

How about something like that Very Happy






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Post  dorothy7774 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:41 am

Or with top jin:


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