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Post  beheshtim64 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:43 pm

hi friends
Im on the way of styling my tree and I confused which style is the best for theme.could you help on that? Rolling Eyes
here are my trees..

these tow are Privet Bonsai/Ligustrum



and this one is beech


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Post  beheshtim64 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:28 pm

the height of the are about 20cm .
here it is another look of beech bonsai...I am so confused what to do with theme



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Re: helping for style

Post  beheshtim64 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:49 pm

I dont know which side is the best for front view .. at left it has a huge wing that make it ugly ...shall I remove it?
and I think I should cut at top fot make it shorter.. Rolling Eyes

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Re: helping for style

Post  Tony on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:38 pm

Hi Beheshtim, great to see you here on IBC.

Uou need to understand that it is impossible for anyone to give you good styling advice on something that has little to offer, also in the future you need to photograph against a back ground that is even in colour so that members can see the structure of the tree.

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Re: helping for style

Post  JimLewis on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:03 pm

I'm a little confused (a common occurrence). There are several trees pictured here, right?

At any rate the second picture shows me a nice future informal upright tree. It, like the others, just needs to grow and to be pinched and pruned to improve branch growth.

And for beech, informal upright (or broom) is generally the way to go.

I suggest you find a good beginner's book on bonsai. Herb Gustafson's "Bonsai Workshop" is readily available to purchase on the Internet.

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Post  beheshtim64 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:12 pm

thanks tony for your help.
I have posted all side of my tree (beech) to help me to cut some branches .because it is shaped badly .

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Post  beheshtim64 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:22 pm

thank you for your help jim lewis
yes 3 pictured are shown.
I guess the branches are too long for privet ...it makes me feel uncertain about cutting theme back.
for becch , it is very hard to make my mind to cut the top of main trunk and the branch is curved toward back.is it best thing I should do?

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Post  Neli on Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:04 pm

I am a total newbie, so dont take me seriously. I am going to post what I think in the hope that I will be corrected.
The first tree reminds me so much of the pienaar style acacia.
Maybe you can try that?

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Post  beheshtim64 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:33 pm

what you think for first tow photo?
are they look good in this style ?








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Post  Neli on Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:09 pm

I like the first style.
The second tree somehow does not look right to me. the left branch is too big. I would have chopped it and left that small branch under it on its place, and you are not supposed to have two brunches coming from the same place. Now look and the length and width of that big left branch. Try to draw it with tapper For it to have reall tapper it will have to be real long.
Again if you chop that branch you will loose the only movement you have on that tree. ( but remember I am a total newbie, so I can be talking crap)( I am just trying to be friendly Very Happy )
What I would have done is chop both thick branches and it will remain with 3 branches. I am sure if You chop the remaining three to r internodes, you will get lots of back budding and from there You can create a broom style.

This is also nice:


Pienaar style is flat top like acacia in the field. It is SA style like this:


But you can do also this:

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Post  beheshtim64 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:04 pm

thank you very much it really helps me.I have long way to go ...dwarf trees makes me wonderful.

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Post  Neli on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:42 pm

beheshtim64 wrote:thank you very much it really helps me.I have long way to go ...dwarf trees makes me wonderful.
I know what You mean! It is lots of fun!

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Post  sunip on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:11 pm

beheshtim64 wrote:the height of the are about 20cm .

Hello welkom.
The direction of your hand could be a future front, but to be sure we have to see how the root base is.
The tree without the pot and the nerbari a bit cleaned could give more information.
Somewhere there must be a nice shohin hidden here, some branches should be removed.
Nice material to study with.
It is also good to look out for other interesting trees so you can play a bit, and get familiar with bonsai.
Sunip Wink

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Re: helping for style

Post  beheshtim64 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:17 pm

thank for all your comments.
here are another tree that I need your help:

It is Almond:



I dont konw which verity it is:



It is cotoneaster :

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Post  Neli on Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:50 pm

Second one is BREYNIA DISTICHA I think???
You need to be careful with it...looks like it might be developing reverse tapper. Remove any branches that can cause that. You need to grow it...but it is not a plant that grows thick trunk.

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Post  beheshtim64 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:19 pm

Neli wrote:Second one is BREYNIA DISTICHA I think???
You need to be careful with it...looks like it might be developing reverse tapper. Remove any branches that can cause that. You need to grow it...but it is not a plant that grows thick trunk.


here is closer view . I guess their leaves are a bit different from BREYNIA DISTICHA Rolling Eyes



for the first photo ( Almond tree ) I have a big fear about dry out the soil because of small pot and growing big leaves.i have changed the pot in January . when is best time to star fertilizing the tree after root pruning and changing the pot?

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Re: helping for style

Post  Neli on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:09 pm

Yes it is different...near by you can see it better.
Post your trees one by one...for help.

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Post  beheshtim64 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:06 am

any help and advise for these 3 trees?


common Elm





Cotoneaster






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Re: helping for style

Post  GerhardGerber on Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:19 pm

beheshtim64 wrote:I dont know which side is the best for front view  .. at left it has a huge wing that make it ugly ...shall I remove it?
and I think I should cut at top fot make it shorter.. Rolling Eyes
Hi

Mostly you need to grow and develop your trees.
You know the species, start by searching Googles Images for "Species X bonsai", look at what is possible, what the best examples of bonsai of any given species, as well as trees similar to yours.
While you are doing all this research your plants has time to grow, and you have time to learn.

Neli - Pienaar or Pierneef? Very Happy 

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Re: helping for style

Post  prestontolbert on Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:02 pm

Pienaar is the footballer lol.

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chines elm

Post  beheshtim64 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:30 am

what is your opinion on this chines elm? what should I do for this form?



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Re: helping for style

Post  GerhardGerber on Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:45 am

Hi

Do a ground layer to get rid of those roots, otherwise nice little Elm

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Re: helping for style

Post  Neli on Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:33 pm

Gerhard,
Definitely Pierneef...He he he!
Behesh,
I see you cut off the branches of the cotoneaster very deep. I normally cut them a bit long, to keep the collar for future shoots. I am not sute if you will get buds there now and you need branches in those spots. Ones the branch is grown...I carve the remaining stump.
Define the pads on the elm and ground layer it.
Cut back shoots to 1-2-3, internodes, depending on the direction you want the branch to go to...On this one you are at ramification stage.

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