HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

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Post  Hans van Meer. on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:58 am

abcd wrote:Hello,
this tree will be exhibited at NOELANDRES TROPHY with wires?
I don't know if it is a problem, the tree is very beautifull, but i know that the selection off trees is realized only with photographies , but do you have ask the question to Marc NOELANDERS ?
Hi abcd,
last years number 1 and 2 in competition and a other nominated/awarded tree in the Noelanders show were compleatly wired and that this was probably don just a few days before the show becauce the copper wire was still shinning and very nottisable, so I dont think those few tinny wires in my tree that are hardly nottisable wil be no problem!
And did you know this: This quote is taken from William N. Valavanis 2012 KOKUFU BONSAI EXHIBITION REPORT
William N. Valavanis wrote:Yesterday I completed my three day study at this year's Kokufu Bonsai Exhibition.

Now, as far as wiring goes, I did some research yesterday on the wired bonsai in the exhibition:

Total bonsai exhibits on display: 252 (including 7 shohin bonsai compositions)

130 narrow leaf evergreens (large and medium size only, not shohin bonsai)

118 bonsai wired
12 unwired
(and most of the unwired bonsai looked that way and could have used some wire)

It seems to me that many Westerners try to be more "pure" than the Japanese when displaying bonsai.

Just a few first hand observations in my opinion.
Bill


So if it is ok at the Kokufu it must be ok at the Noelanders! Very Happy
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Post  aristide on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:31 am

yes i think, if the tree is selected, the copper wire will not be a problem (and will not be a selection clue) as long as the tree is ready for show.
looking forward to see it in real at the trophy,nice tree

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Post  aristide on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:33 am

maybe heavy pot (maybe not hihihi)?

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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  Hans van Meer. on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:47 am

gman wrote:
Hans van Meer. wrote:
gman wrote:Nice looking tree Hans, will you freshen up the deawood features for the show?
Nice find too.....they are tough so hopefully it will make it.
Cheers
Graham

Thanks Graham! Good question! Gives me the change to explain how I approach this styling on this particular tree. No I will not clean it to much actually. Green algae and stuff that hides importand features yes, but I like it to look as naturally weathered as possible so no bleaching or something like that. This design is my own impression of a huge distance tree, but it is a imaginary tree image non the less and for that to work (in my opinion) all natural looking part like bark, jins and shari should look as close to the truth as possible! So that the viewer, who recognizes those thing in a blink, from seeing a thousand trees in real live, feels comfortable with the image he sees in front of him. It is my believe that when you feed the viewer the right information than you can creat a image that is recognizable and believable to most, even when it is a fantasy tree like this one! With this design I want the viewer to see in one glance: how fare the image of my tree grows from where they stand and how tall it must be to look like that! And that illusion is created with open or negotive spaces in and around this tree, these open spaces are hardly noticeable in these pictures, but in 3D they will do the trick much better! After that is all established, well than (I hope) that they can better enjoy the actual impression that I am trying to convey to them, becauce they now know the facts of this tree and than they can better enjoy the fantasy and (hopefully) beauty of my tree and work! It must be a balance between natural and made up, for me that is Bonsai! But that is personal! Wink Long explanation and I hope it gives some insight in how I think and work.

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Hans van Meer.

Hans...... thank you for taking the time to respond ....informing us of your inner creative concepts.
I do understand the concept and the vision ...... perhaps I see it from a distance too but on a sunny day in which the deadwood appears ghostly white tinted with grey and shadows.......my images are founded on spending over 37 years exploring the local mountains and rich pacific northwest ecosystems that abound with such ancient forests..... Very Happy
Cheers
From way across the pond lol
Graham


Hi again Graham, I also love to see those white deadwood sections sticking out off mountain trees in the distance! There is a amazingly enormous old Mugo full off multi colored deadwood that I found years ago while walking high in the mountains surrounding Solden in Austria. I only discovered it becauce I saw it large jined top, that was the only part sticking out trough the thick mist below me, light up brightly when the sun hit it! A amazing experience and sitting underneed this lonesome survivor was so overwhelming that I went back to see it again 3 years in a row!
Below: The amazing wide base of that Pine.



Below: Two more amazing shots featuring deadwood that I made in Austria. The second one almost looks like sea corral, but it actually all what is left off the base of a dead Pine. The colors of the deadwood on these two pictures are what I am aiming for in this tree off mine, a mixture between golden brown and grayish white!





The deadwood on my larch in the pictures I posted at the start of this post apear more dull and smudged than they are in real live and they will look even more brighter and cleaner at the show! If all goes right that is! Wink Thanks for your reply!

Cheers,
Hans van Meer.

PS: And there is a other problem that I forgot to mention: After trying it several times I came to the conclusion that deadwood on larch realy look artificial after being treated with Lime Sulfur and that wont tone down much after time like on a pine. It looked realy out off place, so thats a other reason why I decided to leave it as naturally white as possible!


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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  Hans van Meer. on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:51 am

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Hans

I can't see your picture....insteadt will I look forward to see your tree live at "Noelanders".....I bring two shohin of own breed Smile

Kind regards Yvonne

Hi Yvonne,
what a shame you cant see the pictures! But what good news that you are bringing in two shohin of your own to the show! Well don!!! cheers Looking forward to see them and you there!

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virtual tree

Post  abcd on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:30 pm

Without long dead wood, a subject of much discussion I think ?
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Post  Hans van Meer. on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 pm

abcd wrote:Without long dead wood, a subject of much discussion I think ?

Hi abcd,
no not realy, you are the first one ever! Wink No just kidding, there was some debate in the beginning when years ago I showed the first styling pictures on the forum. But now it has come all together better and all who have seen this tree in real live in my garden over this last years do like it! If you look at the picture below (that I just made especially for you Wink ) that section were the new top live section meets that large jin and shari, that section is all naturally created by mother nature and it shows perfectly, in miniature, what happens for real in nature when the top off a mountain tree like Pine, larch or spruce dies back after being hit by lightning or a avalanche. The tree wants to survive so from around that point many new branches will apear from which one branch will become the new top section. Just like you can see on hundreds of trees high up in the mountains. But that is not the only reason why I made that jin such a important part off this whole image, in my opinion it ads interest to the whole story of this tree and it makes it (in my view) more exciting to look at! I would not think about it to remove it or even shorten it! But I do understand that this is a matter off taste! But I also know that it all looks and feels much better in real live!



Hope this answers your question?

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Post  gman on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:39 pm

Thanks Hans…… for not only answering my question but also for taking the time to answer all of them.
It’s enjoyable seeing posts of pots, trees, progressions... etc but the education that you've provided helps all to appreciate the aspects that you are trying to emulate and the vision you try to portray.
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Graham

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Post  -Daniel- on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:59 pm

Optimal Hans job, name XL is just right for this plant.

Regards , Daniele Very Happy

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Post  abcd on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:45 pm

OK, thank you for the détail and your comment , the head of the the tree is dead, an "apex of substitution" grow .

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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  marcus watts on Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:47 am

hi Hans,

lovely larch - a perfect combination of wild weathered mountain life and bonsai life - looking forward to seeing it at the show Wink

in time..........i think a pot that would allow the trunk to be set slightly right of center would balance the total view. At the moment the tree trunk sits perfect center and the rest of the upper tree is off to the left - but this is a small detail and takes time of course due to the roots of a wild tree not always being right where we want them. Laughing

see you at the show

Marcus

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Post  MikeG on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:59 am

I LOVE this larch. Such an impressive trunk, and fantastic movement to it. Is there a thread to see its history? I couldn't find it.

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Post  Hans van Meer. on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:06 pm

MikeG wrote:I LOVE this larch. Such an impressive trunk, and fantastic movement to it. Is there a thread to see its history? I couldn't find it.

Thanks, Mike

Thanks Mike!
Below: The story's of my Larch (XL) Part I to IV and some moving images, enjoy!

PART I
PART II
PART III
PART IV







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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:07 pm

impressive trunk base, nice bark, wish the top part would allready have had a more mature look too it (thicker to match the powerful old look of the trunk below, and more bark) but you certainly did a good job with what the tree allready has to offer now. So this is not really a critique is it ;-). Time will prove to be a friend of this tree i am sure.

The hat Very Happy...'bonzaï records' Very Happy, yeah that does ring a bell too Very Happy, that was a famous belgian label where allmost all oldskool house music was born into the world. Remember "Jones&Stephenson's first rebirth" Wink or are you too 'old' to remember that Wink. Maybe you only wear the hat because it says bonZai Very Happy. Anyway, fait divers, some nice nostalgics Very Happy

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Post  MikeG on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:35 pm

Thanks so much for the links Hans. I'm even more impressed after seeing its beginnings. Great progression series.

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Post  Hans van Meer. on Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:55 pm

yves71277 wrote:impressive trunk base, nice bark, wish the top part would already have had a more mature look too it (thicker to match the powerful old look of the trunk below, and more bark) but you certainly did a good job with what the tree already has to offer now. So this is not really a critique is it ;-). Time will prove to be a friend of this tree i am sure.

Hi Yves,
yes that top section looks still young, but it luckily fits the story off this tree were the top has died and new branches have formed from witch one has become the new apex, that a other reason why I am so keen to leave that dead top (jin) in this design! What bothers me more is the lack off taper in this new top and how that now, with out foliage is noticeable in pictures. In real live that new top is much more hidden behind the front branches! And yes this tree can only get better over time, unlike us! Wink

yves71277 wrote:
The hat Very Happy...'bonzaï records' Very Happy, yeah that does ring a bell too Very Happy, that was a famous belgian label where allmost all oldskool house music was born into the world. Remember "Jones&Stephenson's first rebirth" Wink or are you too 'old' to remember that Wink. Maybe you only wear the hat because it says bonZai Very Happy. Anyway, fait divers, some nice nostalgics Very Happy

Do I know Bonzai Records? You bet!!! Besides being a DJ for many years (retired 3 years ago), we also use to run for more than 13 years "Second Sound" a Vinyl, CD and DVD store in Rotterdam Holland (sadly closed 3 years ago)! This hat was given to me by one off their more famous DJ's many years ago, but dont ask me his name now, most off the memories off my DJ time were made in a blur and I am still not much better these day's! Do you know how many times Bonsai people pointed out to me that Bonsai is written different?! Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Below: Some pictures from our old store! Crying or Very sad





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Post  Hans van Meer. on Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:57 pm

MikeG wrote:Thanks so much for the links Hans. I'm even more impressed after seeing its beginnings. Great progression series.

Your more than welcome!
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Post  Hans van Meer. on Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:08 pm

marcus watts wrote:hi Hans,

lovely larch - a perfect combination of wild weathered mountain life and bonsai life - looking forward to seeing it at the show Wink

in time..........i think a pot that would allow the trunk to be set slightly right of center would balance the total view. At the moment the tree trunk sits perfect center and the rest of the upper tree is off to the left - but this is a small detail and takes time of course due to the roots of a wild tree not always being right where we want them. Laughing

see you at the show

Marcus

Hi Marcus, I am glad you like it! And good to know that you are in with one off your own trees! Exciting isn't it?! Looking forward to meet you and your tree! Wink
Yes the placement in the pot could be better, but was not possible just yet. But when the tree fills out a bit more in the future it will be less noticeable and honestly it looks better in real live! My open way off branch styling makes this tree look very light, open and flat in pictures, but that is something I have to live with. I prefer that it looks better in real live than how it looks in pictures! But we can discuss our and the other trees when we meet in a few weeks time!!
CU there!
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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:29 pm

[quote="Hans van Meer."]
yves71277 wrote:Do I know Bonzai Records? You bet!!! Besides being a DJ for many years (retired 3 years ago), we also use to run for more than 13 years "Second Sound" a Vinyl, CD and DVD store in Rotterdam Holland (sadly closed 3 years ago)! This hat was given to me by one off their more famous DJ's many years ago, but dont ask me his name now, most off the memories off my DJ time were made in a blur and I am still not much better these day's! Do you know how many times Bonsai people pointed out to me that Bonsai is written different?! Rolling Eyes Very Happy

Below: Some pictures from our old store! Crying or Very sad

hehe ;-)
you dont happen to know the vinyl/music store in Ghent, belgium 'music man'...now that was a name in gent and belgium, and had the best of the best of the vinyls on the shelf, for DJ's, lots of rare 'house' music gems on vinyl there. Sadly i discovered it too late when i was a student, and now the few old cd's i have left, are buried somewhere, some must be worth quite a bit. I just smile when i hear youngster talk about the cool retro house... haha and then its only about the retro stuff everyone knows, but we know the real retro stuff from back in those days. If you ever want a short list with top of the bill retro's from the early days, send me a pm.

BonZaï ??? you got it all wrong, its bonSai Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy tongue-in-cheek

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Post  gman on Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:48 pm

Hi Hans
You quoted “Without long dead wood, a subject of much discussion I think?”
Not too many direct comments on that but for me….
Having seen the progression of the tree helps one understand your idea of loosing the upper long deadwood.
To me that is also a reflection of the natural progression of an ancient tree in nature; against the environmental sometimes severe elements, time (decades) and fungal decay…. the form of a tree changes over time (as too does the image)….thus I like to see my own trees develop among those same lines.....and if I had lots of time left.... Sad I could see some of my trees go from immature, to mature to ancient bounce

“I prefer that it looks better in real life than how it looks in pictures!” …..
I couldn’t agree with you more…there is sometimes an allusion created by a photo that distracts from the actual 3D movement in real life……..although I do find that looking at them in 2D does help one tweak the overall image Very Happy .

Cheers Graham


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Post  LELE on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:59 am

Hey Hans,
Good luck with the show.
XL is absolutely stunning ;-)

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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  Hans van Meer. on Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:08 am

LELE wrote:Hey Hans,
Good luck with the show.
XL is absolutely stunning ;-)

Thanks Lele! I am glad you like it!
Have a nise Christmas!
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SOME DETAILED DEADWOOD WORK.

Post  Hans van Meer. on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:35 am

Hi everybody,
after a week with freezing cold weather that was followed by a copple off day's with heavy rain, the last couple off day's were finaly dry and so I was finaly able to work on the deadwood sections of XL! First the excess off dirt and algae was removed with water and a old soft toothbrush. A hard copper or metal brush would be quicker for this job, but can not be used on the soft deadwood off this larch, because it would remove the natural bleached very thin silvery white top layer off it's deadwood! I only carfully removed the dirt from places were I did not needed shadows, but I left it in places like natural cracks and hollows, so that they would still stick out in all that silvery white deadwood! When this was don I left the deadwood for a day so that the cleaned deadwood could get dry again. Than with the help of a small brush I started to apply a thin layer off water diluted Lime Sulfur to most off the deadwood, but I tried to avoid the places were I wanted darker tones and shadows! The next day I saw that the bulk off the deadwood was now bleach just enough, so now I could focus on applying some more heavily bleached highlights. This was don with some stronger Lime Sulfur that I softly stamped on with a short haired brush. There was hardly any Lime Sulfur on that brush so the bleaching effect would be open and scattered, so that the darker layers underneed could still shine trough in some places! A day later the same was don, but now even less places were treated with stronger Lime Sulfur. So now the deadwood has a overall greyish white color with some brighter highlight in tactical places and all the places that lie dipper in the surface are still darker colored in various tones, making it all look natural! XL is now placed in it's winter shelter were he will be closely observed until the upcoming show. I have to make sure that branches stay in their desired possition, that the moss stays fresh and I have to mist the thin copper wire that I used with water every now and than so that it will rust and get it's desired dark brown color, instead of the shinning copper color it still has now! When this thin copper wire is bend to apply it around the branches, the dark (rusted) top layer will break off and disappear into the air, leaving the surface of the wire all shinning and looking new, and I dont want that! This airborne copper dust can irritate eyes and dry out exposed skin, so be careful! My hands, face and lips are always dry after using copper wire and that is very annoying!
So for now it is just taking good care off XL the best I can and count the day's until the show!
I will keep you all posted if anything wurth while happens!

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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  Mikey P on Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:33 pm

Hans I want your hat. Where did you get it made?................ Awsome tree by the way hahahahahahaha santa santa lol! lol!

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Re: HAVING SOME WINTER FUN WHILE PREPARING MY LARCH (XL) FOR A SHOW.

Post  Hans van Meer. on Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:18 am

Mikey P wrote:Hans I want your hat. Where did you get it made?................ Awsome tree by the way hahahahahahaha santa santa lol! lol!

Mikey, how's life my friend?! That hat is not made my man, it's a original from the mid 90ties!!!
I told you I know my tunes, I plaid and later sold their latest and old vinyl in my store! Dance, like Bonsai, brings and binds people together! This track is one off their softer cuts, but that '97 "Love Parade" made some everlasting memories for me...hubba hubba!!! Wide eyed wanderers, dancing "Lovestruck" trough the night...those were the day's! Like some one wrote about those day's: WOODSTOCK! Forget Woodstock, that was a one time event! We had a Woodstock every weekend!!! cheers



I am glad you like how (XL) looks now! And you were right a year ago...it looks even better now! Smile Will you be at Noelanders?! If so, shall I.....you know what, so that we can humhumm humm?!! Wink

Stay safe my friend and CU soon!
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