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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:37 pm

I have noticed my leaves are being eaten not sure by what. I have looked under the leaves and on the brances but can't seem to find anythink. I have brought a oriental bug killer. I have sprayed it, have I done the right thing?


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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:14 pm

Please dsecibe what you mean by "eaten." This time of year an Elm should be dropping leaves.

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:16 pm

Well, if there weren't any insects present, it may not help. Were the leaves being eaten from the edges or were there holes in the leaves?

Do you have any idea what was in your "Oriental bug killer?"

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:34 pm

The edges of The leaves were being eaten, you can see bits of the leave left. No I can have a look what is in the bug killer

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:37 pm

Tree inside or out, where are you keeping it?

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:42 pm

It was outside but I brought them due to the cold, as I only brought it 2 months ago.

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:45 pm

It has 0.1 g/l thiamethoxam +0.015 g/l abameftin. As a ready to use aqueous solution?

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:45 pm

You noticed the leaf damage after bringing it inside? roaches

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:48 pm

Yes it has been in for 3 weeks now?

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:51 pm

bonsai dan1984 wrote:It has 0.1 g/l thiamethoxam +0.015 g/l abameftin. As a ready to use aqueous solution?

Seems an odd combination, but not too harmful to other things.

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:55 pm

The edges of The leaves were being eaten, you can see bits of the leave left.

That's usually the mark of a caterpillar. They usually eat at night. Spraying with something containing BT (Bacillus thuringiensis) will get them.

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Post  GašperG on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:12 pm

if it's a caterpillar, you can find it/them. I know they can be very small and well camouflaged and it takes a bit of time... If there are small black dots around the pot, it's caterpillars poo...

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:24 pm

Night feed caterpillars will hide in the soil or under the pot by day. First turn the pot over and inspect the bottom for bugs, then take a fork and scratch the soil surface.

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:10 am

Spot on thanks guys, I will have a butchers and get back to you's

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:50 pm

I haven't had a chance to really look at the plant yet. Me and my family have come down with a nasty virus, but looking at the leaves when I walk past some of the leaves have circles eaten out of the middle of them?

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Post  C.A. Young on Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:14 pm

Do you have a cat? If so, I'd look to him/her as a possible culprit; and in which case, I'd forego the toxic bug killer, and move the tree to a cat-proof place.

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:42 pm

yes i have two cats, do you think they could be eating the leaves? makes sense if so cuz me black cat likes wires Evil or Very Mad

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:48 pm

It is possible a cat would eat the leaves, a bored cat will do a lot of weird things (I can tell stories) but this doesn't sound like a cat chewing. (In my house you must remember to flush, we have a cat that will fish used TP out of the toilet and play with it. I know it is disgusting.)

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Post  C.A. Young on Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:08 pm

bonsai dan1984 wrote:yes i have two cats, do you think they could be eating the leaves? makes sense if so cuz me black cat likes wires Evil or Very Mad

My dad has two cats, and they love chewing on the leaves of his trees. My concern is that if it is your cats, and you do treat your plants with something toxic, you might end up with very sick cats. The first thing to do is establish whether it really is your cats. If it is, one route is to buy a flat of cat grass. They'll prefer it to your trees.

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Post  JimLewis on Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:18 pm

I doubt these are caused by cats. Haven't seen a pic of the leaves, but it sounds like caterpillars or snails/slugs.

Cats chewing on leaves would leave them ragged , ripped, and torn.

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Post  C.A. Young on Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:16 pm

I only mention cats to put bonsai dan on his guard. I just wouldn't want an accidental cat poisoning. Also, the problem started when he brought the trees indoors. You'd think caterpillars, would be just as, if not more, prevalent outdoors. At any rate, it probably isn't his cats; but if he applies a strong pesticide and his cats do have a nibble, he might they might get sick.

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:10 pm

To think about it the cats don't sit on the window sill. I have taken some pics I will have to up load to photo bucket. Two sees are do it now.

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:17 pm

Right it hasn't worked, in using my phone for the internet. But in detail of the leave is there eaten cleanly to were there is only a little bit of the leave left and with some leaves there is a circle in the middle of them?

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Post  bonsai dan1984 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:49 pm

I have had a good route around the leaves can't see a think on them, but I can see spider webs not are normal type of web. This is very fine and compact under the leave and brances. When I water the plants I put them I. The sink full of water so it just comes to the bottom of the trunk. Wouldn't that kill if it was in the soil?

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:09 pm

Night feeding caterpillars will hide in the soil or under the pot by day. First turn the pot over and inspect the bottom for bugs, then take a fork and scratch the soil surface down at least 1/2 inch.
Have you done this?
Watering will not get rid of bugs, but immersion watering s not a good idea as it tend to drive out air and compact the soil. Your watering practice is not causing the leaf problem, but isn't contributing to the health of your plant.

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