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Japanese Cascade pot help please

Post  marcus watts on Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:19 pm

Hi everyone,

I have an as yet unworked yamadori juniper with grafted itiogawa foliage that came into Europe directly from the japanese nursery a few years ago.

The tree is still in the original pot and it has a long 'signature' that I would love to know a little more about if anyone can help please. The pics are 'as is', with chalk dust and the actual pot.

As always thanks so much for any asistance





cheers Marcus



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Post  Ryan B on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:13 pm

Well, well, well, Marcus. You've got yourself a real gem there. Don't know what you paid for the tree, but that pot's worth a bundle. Japanese, made by Nakano Yuuji of the Gyozan kiln. The absolute pinnacle of unglazed Tokoname pots. Tiny ones retail for 50k¥, I'd say this one is much much more. I've similiar ones for sale from Kinbon in the 150k¥ range.
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Post  Hans van Meer. on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:25 am

Hi Marcus,
I know these pots and I know what it written on the bottom side: if you can read this, than most off your soil is now on the floor! Very Happy
Cheers,
Hans van Meer.

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Post  reddog on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:40 am

Hans van Meer. wrote:Hi Marcus,
I know these pots and I know what it written on the bottom side: if you can read this, than most off your soil is now on the floor! Very Happy
Cheers,
Hans van Meer.

That was funny! Laughing

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Post  marcus watts on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:39 am

Hans van Meer. wrote:Hi Marcus,
I know these pots and I know what it written on the bottom side: if you can read this, than most off your soil is now on the floor! Very Happy
Cheers,
Hans van Meer.

haha, hi Hans.

very good Very Happy Very Happy ......in this case i was VERY happy to lose a few grains of soil to find out about the pot (it isn't freshly repotted either Smile ) - the tree and pot had quite a journey - Mario Komsta bought the tree back from one of his japanese trips, then it was for sale at the Noelanders sales area, it went from there to England and a few years later to me. Best part is that the tree has remained unstyled and luckily for me the pot value has not really been realised or added to the tree cost at any stage Very Happy

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Post  my nellie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:10 am

marcus watts wrote: ... ...and luckily for me the pot value has not really been realised or added to the tree cost at any stage
Yes, indeed! Could you please Marcus show us a photo of the whole tree.
Thank you

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Post  Fore on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:31 pm

Boy! Almost $2k usd. Incredible pot, tree and luck Marcus! Razz How about a pic of the whole tree?

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Post  nekotoban on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:38 pm

I THINK this pot made by Nakano Yukizo Gyozan himself, not his son Yuji. And the kugibori(nail signature) can be read as follows.
Rifght: His Imperial Majesty
Middle: Commemoration for the Emperor's accession for the imperial throne
Left: Nakano Gyozan made

I believe this pot made when the Emperor Akihito had acceded to the throne.

Beautiful pot. Thanks for sharing Smile




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Post  Ryan B on Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:50 pm

It's entirely possible that's it's Yukizou, not Yuuji. While I've seen Yuuji pots signed both "Nakano Yuuji" and "Nakano Gyozan" (with and without the Yuuji stamp), it is true that both father and son used "Nakano Gyozan" in nail signatures. I just thought this signature looked more like Yuuji than Yukizou I've seen, which have more astringent lines.
So that gives you an idea of date Marcus, 1990(which doesn't tell us anything about father or son, as Yukizou would have been 50 at this time, and Yuuji 30).
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Post  Jkd2572 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:24 am

Does anyone know were I can get large square cascade pots?

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:34 am

Jkd2572 wrote:Does anyone know were I can get large square cascade pots?

H&F Bonsai Imports, Davie, FL for Chinese pots of all sizes and shapes.

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Post  kora on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:36 am

I have had the pleasure of visiting Gyozan on several occasions, even made tiles at his kiln-never could afford a hand built pot of his or Jujis for that matter, but do have some molded pots -once bought one, that was "used" he told me it would not be less just because he used it-I told him, he should charge more-am now desperately trying to post a picture, I took last year-been at it for hours, excuse me if it doesn't work-there MUST be an easier way!kora

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Post  kora on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:42 am

I give up-this picture posting business just doesn't work-wasted 2 hours trying,kora

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Post  Jkd2572 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:24 am

Yeah kora that's why only post pics of my trees on bonsai nut. They have a way to one click upload from my iPhone or iPad while I sit on the couch. Wish they would up date the process here.

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:51 pm

Comeon guys, putting photos up on the IBC is NOT rocket science. Every forum has a different way to upload pics that is dependent upon the software that runs the forum. (You do NOT want to go through the hassle and risk of switching from one software program to another and losing much (everything) we have here. Besides, every forum's software has its own set of idiosyncrasies -- believe me!)

We have several thousand members. Excluding perpetual lurkers, it is quite clear from all the excellent pictures on the IBC that pictures get posted here with no problems. There is a step-by-step process explained at http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t243-tutorial-on-posting-pics that makes it easy. If THIS old geezer can do it -- and can even write a tutorial on doing it! -- surely others can master it as well.

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Post  Russell Coker on Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:19 pm




Yep, if I can figure it out anyone can!

And damnit Marcus, you have THE BEST luck finding pots!!!

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Re: Japanese Cascade pot help please

Post  marcus watts on Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:46 pm

Hi Guys & Girls

here is a few tree pics - i've put them here as this thread has the requests

'For Sale' image - thanks to Steve Tolley


Sandblasted to clean up and open some grain


Decided to make my mark - so carved a hollow anda few grooves


The unstyled foliage tree sat on my large root stand - planning to make another one when the tree is done


cheers for all the help and comments

Marcus


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Post  marcus watts on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:15 pm

Russell Coker wrote:And damnit Marcus, you have THE BEST luck finding pots!!!

hi Russell,

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy i'm on a roll it seems. this one was total fluke as i wanted the tree and didnt look under the pot until it was paid for and going in the car. mad bit is if the pot value was added to the tree value i would not have been able to buy it and then ended up with a raw material white pine in a plastic pot ! phew!! Very Happy Very Happy

regards potty marcus

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