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Post  Robert Steven on Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:58 am

Bonsai..a never ending art, the transformation will always continue as long as still alive....

Many of you might have seen this Premna...



This was how it started...



Serious problem happened...



Dying in ICU....



Recovering....



The transformation was taking place...



It is in new shape now...



Where will it go ? Who knows....


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:34 am

Amazing as usual!!

Any chance of sending a few premna seeds down to my side of the world?
Thanks for posting.
Khaimraj

p.s
I like this, but I wouldl keep it as the Chinese gave it to me -

Bonsai..a never ending craft, the transformation will always continue as long as still alive....


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Post  Robert Steven on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:45 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Amazing as usual!!

Any chance of sending a few premna seeds down to my side of the world?
Thanks for posting.
Khaimraj

p.s
I like this, but I wouldl keep it as the Chinese gave it to me -

Bonsai..a never ending craft, the transformation will always continue as long as still alive....


Thanks Khaimraj..but bonsai is an art, NOT craft ! at least for me. Evil or Very Mad

I never let my Premna bear seeds as this will disturb the growth, but do you think it will grow in your area ? (Where are you located, BTW ?)

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:56 am

Hi Robert
This is amazing change ThumbsUp
Beautiful tree.

Greetings Pavel

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Post  Brett Simon on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:09 am

Hi Robert

Fantastic tree, Bonsai a working piece of art.
A month ago we found some Premna mooiensis along our coast line. Not sure if you use this variety. Has very small leaves. So excited about the find, the have such great deadwood and have been growing in similar conditions to where you find your ones.

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:15 am

Hello Robert,

my address is written on the side next to my avatar. Tropical zone.

Why is it so important that Bonsai be seen as an ART by you.
Want to share a few of the most important reasons?
[I hope you don't mind if I comment on your thoughts.]
Thanks in Advance.
Khaimraj


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Post  my nellie on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:35 am

Robert Steven wrote:[i][b] .... ...Dying in ICU... ...
Mr. Steven, I suppose that the "bandage" is an ICU technique Smile to block the transpiration? And the purpose of that wooden cross is to support the dying branch?

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:40 am

'less is more', what a unique tree, the 'accident' and transformation made it even a more unique piece.

lets pray for its survival and no more near-death-experiences

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Post  Robert Steven on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:12 pm

Thanks Pavel.

Yes, My Nellie, you are right. I also covered it with plastic for certain period till new shoots were budding. It worked well...

Brett, a friend of mine sent me picture of Premna mooiensis found in South Africa :



The character is exactly the same as our Premna here. As you know, there are more than 200 species of Premna and it looks like similar to another one we have especially the leaves :



I hope they are not the same because this species is difficult to train into bonsai. The leaves are thinner, softer, stronger odour and rather limpy, difficult to obtain an ideal ramification structure. However, it worth to try and you are lucky if they work out...

Khaimraj, bonsai suppose to be an art although many do it as craft. It does not only require skilled works, but it requires the knowledge of easthetic concept, creativity process, imagination, interpretation, emotion and the exploration of implicit message through the explicit features, yet to follow the artistic phylosophy and value that has been practiced for thousands years.

Yves. I know one day it will die likes all other creatures. But I won't let it die for nothing..it has been regenerated through the cutting for new pieces of art...








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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Just to say Thank You, Robert.
Stay well.
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Post  Robert Steven on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:46 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Just to say Thank You, Robert.
Stay well.
Khaimraj


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:59 pm

Robert,

I must be dense, but the cute baby giving me winkie eyes is lost on me. Smile
Trinidad is a very western island, and things the Chinese do, often leave us with big question marks??????
But at least to say thank you for the image.
Stay Well.
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Post  adam1234 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:32 pm

great tree, my kind of style and out of the ordinary. This is an extraordinary tree and I love it. Congratulation Mr Stevens.

Cheers,
Adam

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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:23 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Robert,

I must be dense, but the cute baby giving me winkie eyes is lost on me. Smile
Trinidad is a very western island, and things the Chinese do, often leave us with big question marks??????
But at least to say thank you for the image.
Stay Well.
Khaimraj

Chinese uses lots of symbols and interpretation in any aspect, that's also why makes theirs bonsai different...

Thanks Adam...

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:47 am

Mr Steven,( Smile )
Why are you killing my favorite tree? hehehe!

I love the transformation of this Premna. i didn't realize until now that it is facing the other side now. Becoming to look like more of a landscape/penjing in its current form. thumbs up Like a cliffside scenery.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Xavier de Lapeyre on Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:14 am

my nellie wrote:
Robert Steven wrote:[i][b] .... ...Dying in ICU... ...
Mr. Steven, I suppose that the "bandage" is an ICU technique Smile to block the transpiration? And the purpose of that wooden cross is to support the dying branch?
Robert Steven wrote:
Yes, My Nellie, you are right. I also covered it with plastic for certain period till new shoots were budding. It worked well...

Robert,
Thanks for sharing this "operation" on the patient.
I like the new balance between the live branches and the jin branches.

Did you use any other technique to keep the branch in place during the "operation" other than the wet cloth strips and wooden support?
I've seen some artists using screws and allowing the callus to form over it.

Looks like the "dying branch" broke off at trunk level ?
How did it happen?


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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:28 am

jun wrote:Mr Steven,( Smile )
Why are you killing my favorite tree? hehehe!

I love the transformation of this Premna. i didn't realize until now that it is facing the other side now. Becoming to look like more of a landscape/penjing in its current form. thumbs up Like a cliffside scenery.

regards,
jun Smile

No Sir.. I safe it.

Yes Sir, I put some rocks to obtain better balance and to enhance the atmospheric effect....

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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:48 am

Hi Xavier,

The branch didn't break. The bandage was to keep the live vein wet because it was not watered during the intensive care; and the bamboo supports were more as "frame" to support the plastic cover so it will not damage the ramification. It was covered with plastic to keep the moisture...


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:21 am

As does Old Master Art Robert, Laughing
later and Stay Well.
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:38 am

Ahh Robert,

perhaps as a positive response to the changeable [ always growing ] nature of trees/shrubs/weeds the Chinese added back in the relatively unchangeable stone.

Since there is much active word play in Chinese speech, and English tends to more direct, I gather perhaps to most folk the Japanese style, would be more appealing. Unless you really love poetry in English and perhaps the Chinese style would then be more appealing.

Just something your winkie eyed children brought to my mind.
Later.
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Post  my nellie on Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:41 am

Robert Steven wrote: ... ...The bandage was to keep the live vein wet because it was not watered during the intensive care;... ...[/url]
[u]With this last clarification the therapeutic "regimen" is now complete.

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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:06 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Ahh Robert,

perhaps as a positive response to the changeable [ always growing ] nature of trees/shrubs/weeds the Chinese added back in the relatively unchangeable stone.

Since there is much active word play in Chinese speech, and English tends to more direct, I gather perhaps to most folk the Japanese style, would be more appealing. Unless you really love poetry in English and perhaps the Chinese style would then be more appealing.

Just something your winkie eyed children brought to my mind.
Later.
Khaimraj

...Now I can feel my Chinese is better than my English...
Anyone can help me for what this friend try to say ?..before I give wrong respond... Embarassed


BTW, Nellie, you could ask. Laughing

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:24 pm

Robert,

don't worry to respond, I often run onto my own little world and lose folk.
Later.
Apologetically.
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Post  Xavier de Lapeyre on Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:51 pm

Robert Steven wrote:...Now I can feel my Chinese is better than my English...
Anyone can help me for what this friend try to say ?..before I give wrong respond... Embarassed

lol!

I did not understand that part : "The bandage was to keep the live vein wet because it was not watered during the intensive care"
What is the purpose of not watering the plant during intensive care and how does it help the patient to recuperate?
I'm sorry if I'm asking something that might be pretty obvious, but I'm really clueless on that part right now.

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Post  Robert Steven on Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:43 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Robert,

don't worry to respond, I often run onto my own little world and lose folk.
Later.
Apologetically.
Khaimraj

Now you make me get lost, buddy....

Xavier,

Good question indeed...
The dying back problem was caused by the problem on the root system (rotting), then the vascular system was not working well, consequently, it caused the dying back on the branches, and if this continued, the live vein will also drying and cause the total dead. In this stage, if I kept watering, the roots would get even worse, but I needed to keep the live vein alive in order to push for new buds or to avoid further dying by the time to let the root system to recover. By stopping the watering (but just kept low moisture), I could stop the further rotting problem on the roots, let them recover for new roots..and at the same time, I could keep the live vein survive for new growth...

Hope this answer your question.

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