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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:49 am

Hi IBC!

One of My current project, Water and landscape penjing- "Shuihan"







This is still in its preliminary, Rocks and trees are not in fixed position yet.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.
Changing a thing or two will create a "different" kind of penjing, depending on the dominant feature.

regards,
jun Smile







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Post  my nellie on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:41 pm

As always you keep going "big", Jun!
You're inspiring me though... Let's see when I will start to set up my own penjing Very Happy

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Post  Sakaki on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:37 pm

Hi Jun,

I am quite sure you will unearth your talent once again with this newly-started project Smile
What I want to ask you here is that: as you know the shorter trees are preferred to use in back of the taller trees in a forest work to create a depth feeling. Now I see in your composition that a big rock (at the back) is placed behind a smaller one (at left). Does this rule (creating depth feeling by placing small ones in back) not valid for rocks?
Or should we just simply consider the rocks as mountains: taller is far away & smaller is close to us?

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Taner

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:40 pm

Bro,

where do you get those fantastic stones and so well put together.
My only comment would be that the area just above the cave, between the two mountains seems to need something.
Sitting back to enjoy.
Thanks for sharing.
Envious.
Khaimraj

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:42 am

Alexandra,

Not so big really, I am reducing the sizes of my current projects. and trying not to be tempted making very huge ones...Six man carry is the max this days..hehehe.

Try to do small penjings, its a different kind of fun than regular bonsai... Then, when you advanced further you'll learn that is is more complicated than regular bonsai. You have to learn bonsai, you have to learn perspective, You'll have to learn geography as well. plus different types of penjing. that is why it is more fun and challenging than regular bonsai. give it a try it is rewarding.


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jun Smile



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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:06 am

Hi Taner,

Yes it is the opposite of forest planting, for various reasons:
1. For the more obvious one, Unlike tree groupings where trunks and branches of overlapping trees can be partially seen even the ones in the back, Using huge rocks it is not possible as it will blocks smaller rocks behind the scene. maybe only in the the side, this helps to create a "triangle outline" of the composition, In some compositions where rock (mountain ) groupings were done with significant gaps with each other it can be done but the problem there would be the size of the pot/tray. you'll be needing extra wide/deep trays.
2. In real life scenery, the closer the objects the more details you see and the farther they gets the lesser details you see. which is also being applied in penjing. Using smaller rocks at the front you can create believable detailed near objects, the the huge rocks at the back will represent middle scenery of mountains, at the backmost mountains (biggest rocks) will represent mountainous outlines with just the shape being visible.
3. Then there's an element of perspective. this doesn't mean linear perspective only the the ones use in architecture. Curvilinear perspective should also be applied, here smaller rocks at the front plays a very important role.
4. Vanishing point of the horizon of perspective is guide ....and there is no rule, just guidelines and commonsense.



regards,
jun Smile


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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:16 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Bro,

where do you get those fantastic stones and so well put together.
My only comment would be that the area just above the cave, between the two mountains seems to need something.
Sitting back to enjoy.
Thanks for sharing.
Envious.
Khaimraj

LLB,
These are all volcanic rocks, Those details cracks were created by cooling lava,
Yes, I'll dot eh details later including the one you mentioned.
Stay back and watch hehehe and enjoy of course. Smile

BTW, I might join BCI tour next year, If you really are interested in Chinese bonsai arts. this is the best opportunity for it.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Sakaki on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:39 am

jun wrote:Hi Taner,

Yes it is the opposite of forest planting, for various reasons:
1. For the more obvious one, Unlike tree groupings where trunks and branches of overlapping trees can be partially seen even the ones in the back, Using huge rocks it is not possible as it will blocks smaller rocks behind the scene. maybe only in the the side, this helps to create a "triangle outline" of the composition, In some compositions where rock (mountain ) groupings were done with significant gaps with each other it can be done but the problem there would be the size of the pot/tray. you'll be needing extra wide/deep trays.
2. In real life scenery, the closer the objects the more details you see and the farther they gets the lesser details you see. which is also being applied in penjing. Using smaller rocks at the front you can create believable detailed near objects, the the huge rocks at the back will represent middle scenery of mountains, at the backmost mountains (biggest rocks) will represent mountainous outlines with just the shape being visible.
3. Then there's an element of perspective. this doesn't mean linear perspective only the the ones use in architecture. Curvilinear perspective should also be applied, here smaller rocks at the front plays a very important role.
4. Vanishing point of the horizon of perspective is guide ....and there is no rule, just guidelines and commonsense.



regards,
jun Smile


Jun, thanks a lot for such instructive explanations!
I appreciate them!

Taner

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:25 am

Hey Bro,

thanks for all the informative responses. As to a BCI tour, I am a bit more fortunate, having family in China as you might remember, and I prefer to see at my own speed. So after my nephew has finished his studies and is at University or apprenticed [ say 5 years or so ] I will be able to visit the Scholars of China [ in areas other than Penjing ].
Later.
Khaimraj

*Just a private bit, my nephew was sent to me to finish his education. In case you are wondering.

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Post  Jed Franco on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:56 pm

Jun bro,

as always, you made a good piece of art Smile ,
....and you inspire me always to do some new artistic designs and follow your concepts in making bonsai/penjing, but my problem is I don't know where to get those huge and beautiful rocks since I don't even know where to get some esp. in our area Crying or Very sad ...But anyway, nice one bro, keep 'em coming...Thanks for posting...

Best Regards,

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Post  Robert Steven on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:04 pm

Nicely done, Jun...

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:40 am


Little game:
Are these sketches, prints or real????











regards,
jun Smile


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:44 am

Attractive,

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:46 am

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Attractive,

Khaimraj


You are a painter my LLB, So what do you think were these?


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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:29 pm

Bro,

for what you might be using them for, I would suggest, you shade in three strong tones, a light, medium and dark.
Say B, 4B and 6b or 9B and if needed some acrylic White, use a good 140LB hot press cotton paper if you can get it.
They don't have to be large, say 5 x 7 " [ 13 x 18 cm ] sheets.
That why you can see it all in one glance.

If they exist in nature, reality, use a 45 deg. angled light and just observe your shadows and light and see how how they affect your sculptural work.
It's a pattern, and the more attractive you make it, the longer the viewer will want to study your work.

Additionally, you would have to display them under the same lighting, used to create the effort.

As I repeat, attractive.
AND will obviously just keep getting better, much talent in that noodle/soul of yours.
Later.
Khaimraj

* Of course the meaning will happen naturally, I am sure you guys have word play, as seen in Chinese and English [ UK and US ]

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Post  Sakaki on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:28 pm

jun wrote:
Little game:
Are these sketches, prints or real????

regards,
jun Smile


I think these are the photos (with some effect/filter) of a penjing work!?

Taner

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Post  GašperG on Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:40 pm

Hmmm,...i vote for prints of sketches of an idea how it could look like in real - and now it is. ThumbsUp

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Post  moyogijohn on Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:28 pm

JUN,, These new projects are very nice !! you have went another route with your bonsai for a while.. very creative with your new stuff.. i am glad you have pleanty of help !!!! take care john

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:28 am


Hi IBC.
This is the update of the penjing above:


This came from the next photo:





Some portions of the rocks, I carved to create mountain outlines from afar.










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You are right Taner! Just playing around with my camera... Razz


regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:49 am

Bro,

play with the technology, but please don't get lost in it.
These are our tools, not our masters.
Stay Well.
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Post  AlainK on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:29 pm

Very nice Wink

What is the grey medium in the center part ? Soil ?

Do you intend to put moss on it ?


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Post  Sakaki on Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:45 pm

jun wrote:
Hi IBC.
This is the update of the penjing above:




You are right Taner! Just playing around with my camera... Razz

regards,
jun Smile

cheers
Try to move your head to the right a bit for balance (in this way, your bottom would be hidden behind the rock also) Very Happy
BTW, what/where is my trophy?

BR
Taner

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:01 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Bro,

play with the technology, but please don't get lost in it.
These are our tools, not our masters.
Stay Well.
Khaimraj


No, No LLB. I am an "old school" guy heheh. I use and prefer free hand drawings, even on my Architectural works...I am just using the camera effect to check for balance of the bonsai/penjing I am making. free hand drawings came from the heart.

regards,
jun Smile

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:06 pm

AlainK wrote:Very nice Wink

What is the grey medium in the center part ? Soil ?

Do you intend to put moss on it ?



AlainK,

The grey medium is a very refined black sand. Moss won't thrive on it.

regards,
jun Smile





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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:14 pm

Taner,

hehehe! I wear black shirt but forgot to wear black pants.. Razz Razz .


Your reward was already given to you...."Knowledge and the ability to decipher things" ,,, It won't rust, it won't break and no mortals can take it away from you, It's a very special gift, Use it wisely my friend. hehehe.


regards,
jun Smile

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