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Post  claas on Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:24 am

Hello,

can anyone identify this chop?
I manipulated the contrast to make it better visible....


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Post  Russell Coker on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:49 pm



Peculiar chop... can you post a picture of the pot?

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Post  claas on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:51 pm

Hi,

I will, when I am back home today.

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Post  claas on Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:48 pm

So, here are the pictures...







Has anybody an idea who made it or where it may be from?


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Post  JimLewis on Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:30 pm

From the small drainage holes and their location, I'd suspect Chinese, but it is an attractive pot.

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Post  Russell Coker on Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:02 am

JimLewis wrote:From the small drainage holes and their location, I'd suspect Chinese, but it is an attractive pot.

Me too, and possibly old.

How did you aquire this pot, if I may ask?

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Post  claas on Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:45 pm

it was a present from my former girlfriend (now wife Very Happy ). She bought it from a really good bonsai dealer near Frankfurt. I think it is supposed to be old. Unfortunately I have no further informations concerning the pot....


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Post  Ryan B on Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:25 pm

Good to know I've been missed! I've gotten a couple of emails and messages from folks asking why I haven't been around, an the truth is....no time! Im sitting in a hotel in Rochester right now at the end of an awesome tour of Bonsai Nurseries in New York, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania. Now, the pot:
Antique Chinese from a recognized kiln, verifiable Nakawatari(中渡)-Middle Crossing, meaning it was made between 1816 and 1911. Retail around $1000, give or take a couple hundred.
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Post  claas on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:10 pm

Wow,

thanks a lot Ryan! I knew it would be a good idea to marry her Laughing cheers !

Do you have more information about the kiln?


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Post  Ryan B on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:35 pm

I sure don't. It'd be nice if I had more, but all I can do is point you at the Kindai pot books, and tell you that it's in there, and there's a brief description of the kiln. May or may not be the case with this one, but often next to nothing is known about these potters, anywhere. They are often only known by the art they left behind.
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Post  claas on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:45 pm

Sorry to ask again, I´m not sure if I got it right. What is in the Kindai book, the pot or a pot of the same kind?

I will ask Peter Krebs next time I see him, he should have these books (although he is not very interested in chops and the who-made-it-questions).

Thanks again,

Claas

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Post  Ryan B on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:51 pm

The Kindai books are a series of three bonsai books dedicated solely to pottery. In obe of them, there are maybe 50 chops from Old, Middle, and New Crossing potters. You can order them online from Yoshoen and Rie-San, this chop is on there. It's also in the Encyclopedia of Bonsai Pots: Bijutsu Bonkei, along with maybe 150 other Chinese Chops, but that set is stupid pricey....took me a year to get one under a grand.
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Post  Ryan B on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:55 pm

And no, Peter doesnt care about chops so much, but he does care about patina and quality of workmanship and clay. The chip presented dates the pot to a certain era, and gives verifiable proof of age. Patina can be faked(though poorly), as can clay quality to a lesser extent(mostly by using great clay!), and so can style, but the chop adds an extra little bit of buyers insurance, so that chopped antiques will always be worth more(though not necessarily better) than unchopped pots.
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Post  Russell Coker on Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:45 pm




I had a good feeling about this one, but it's been so long since I've seen and handled pots like this I wasn't sure. Congratulations!

I'd happily marry any woman that showed up with a pot like that!

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Post  bumblebee on Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:10 pm

What I want to know is, did she get a real good deal on this pot?

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Post  JimLewis on Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:11 pm

bumblebee wrote:What I want to know is, did she get a real good deal on this pot?

Libby

It was a gift. You don't ask those kinds of questions for a gift!

And what does it matter to us?

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Post  claas on Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:13 pm

Thank you, Jim.

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Post  bumblebee on Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:13 am

Makes absolutely no difference to me. I just like it when somebody lucks out, is all. Pardon me for asking.

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Post  claas on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:40 am

Addition:

this morning I called Peter Krebs. He told me this pot has been his some years ago.
There even is a picture of it on his website: http://www.bonsaischalen.info/index.php?page=erde-und-feuer-unglasierte-schalen


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