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What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  Jennyreyn on Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:13 pm

Its teeming outside so having down loaded my latest tree pics I thought I might as well ask all my questions now and go back outside when the rain stops -if ever, this is Scotland afterall!
I acquired this little tree a couple of years ago as it took my fancy but I was not sure what it was. I was told later it was a cotoneaster but is it? They normally grow like weeds around here and this one has had one new shoot in 2 years. I should probably put it in the ground to grow a bit but would like to know what it is or the variety if it is cotoneaster. Can anyone enlighten me? sunny




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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  Justin_ on Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:40 pm

It doesn't look like any cotoneaster I know. I thought it might be Japanese holly, Ilex Crenata, until I saw the final picture. I'm pretty sure no ilex has leaves in clusters like that.


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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  drgonzo on Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:53 pm

No Cotoneaster I've seen produces spurs and leaf clusters like that.

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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  Russell Coker on Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:28 pm




Pyracantha?

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Post  fiona on Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:42 pm

Has it given you anything in the way of flowers or berries? Do you keep it outdoors?

If it is a Cotoneaster my guess would be for a C. dammeri or radicans.

Just out of interest, where did you get it from?

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Post  fiona on Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:46 pm

Russell Coker wrote: Pyracantha?
I'd say the leaves aren't long enough for Pyracantha and I cant see any thorns, but I wouldn't discount it just yet.

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:59 pm

The new sprouts spring off the branches exactly like Pyracantha. I do have a Pyracantha that has no thorns, but its leaves are long and narrow and almost pointed. But thornless Pyracantha do exist.

It is NOT C. dammeri. I have one and its leaves have very faint teeth or scallops at the ends. They're also much darker green. I don't think it is Cotoneaster of any type.

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what variety cotoneaster

Post  Bob Bailey on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:10 pm



Quince?

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:12 pm

Look at the notches at the ends of the leaves. I think it may be a Boxwood (maybe even B. mycrophylla) of some ilk or other.

MY quince all have thorns.

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Post  fiona on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:32 pm

A buxus was my first thought to be honest. That's why I asked if it had ever produced flowers and berries so we could discount several things.

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Post  yamasuri on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:35 pm

And what about Portulacara Africa ?....http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantnop/portulacarafra.htm

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Post  fiona on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:54 pm

Doesnt look fleshy enough, yamasuri. Plus the Poster lives in Scotland, and Portulacaria is an indoor plant and not a common bonsai subject here. It's more likely to be used as a houseplant here.

However, I asked where she kept it in a bid to rule out once and for all things like Portulacaria and so on. Maybe we should wait 'til she comes back with some more info re flowers, berries, thorns, hardiness etc before we can make any sort of decision.

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Post  yamasuri on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:05 pm

I agree Fiona. Just the type of foliage lead me to this species [Crassula?]

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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  Russell Coker on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:18 pm


Boxwood and Portulacaria have opposite leaves, this does not. What the foliage looks like doesn't matter after that.

Is that a thorn in the last picture, top right corner?

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Post  fiona on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:38 pm

Both of Russell's points are good and the reason why I wouldn't discount Bob's quince suggestion either. Think we need some more info from Jennyreyn.

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Post  Jennyreyn on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:56 am

Thanks for all the responses and hopefully I can answer the questions raised in several of your posts.
It is hardy. Its outside year round. I had never seen it flower but on close inspection this morning there are berries under the branches singly attached not in bunches like regular pyrocantha. THe thicker branches are very hard and the whole trunk and branches remain green and mainly smooth.
I got it from the sale of trees of one of our club members in Dundee after he passed away. No one knew anything about it or what it was but the shape appealed to me. I repotted it in February 2010 as I had no idea how long it had been in the training pot I got it in the previous June. I should probably have put it in something bigger as it has not grown much at all except the one long shoot in picture 2. The leaves are quite fleshy and some are round at the end and some are notched.
Berries are less than a quarter of an inch long and oval.

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Post  fiona on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:38 pm

Val, are those fine thorns we're seeing under some of the leaves? If so, at the moment I'm not discounting one of the berberises but even the greener, rounder leaved ones have thorns. What colour are the berries?

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Post  Poink88 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:58 pm

fiona wrote:What colour are the berries?
As shown on the pics (I count 9 in one pic) they are all (still) green.

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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  JimLewis on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:06 pm

2 berries marked.


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Post  Jennyreyn on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:34 pm

There are definately no thorns on the tree and about 14 berries in total all still green. I have box and the leaves are darker and thicker than the box as well as alternate rather than opposite.

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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  Jennyreyn on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:24 pm

This is a puzzler - perhaps my original advice was correct and it is some kind of unusual cotoneaster - they are related to pyrocantha to similarities to both maybe!

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Re: What variety cotoneaster might this be?

Post  JimLewis on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:24 pm

Well, there are Firethorn (Pyracantha) that are thornless (would they still be fire"thorn"?), and the new shoots shown on one of your early pictures look EXACTLY like Pyracantha shoots.

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