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Post  Andrew Legg on Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:47 am

Hi All,

Can anyone give me any information as to where I may be able to find Seigen Maple stock in the Miami area? I am after rough stock, not finished bonsai material.

Thanks,

Andrew

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Post  JimLewis on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:41 pm

I suspect Miami is too far south (zone 11) to find any Japanese maples.

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Post  Andrew Legg on Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:00 pm

Yes Jim, but I don't live there. I live in South Africa and would like to bring one home with me. I am visiting Florida in a month or two and was hoping to source one. Even if someone knows a nursery that would ship to Miami, I'd appreciate it.

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Post  JimLewis on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:12 pm

Andrew Legg wrote:Yes Jim, but I don't live there. I live in South Africa and would like to bring one home with me. I am visiting Florida in a month or two and was hoping to source one. Even if someone knows a nursery that would ship to Miami, I'd appreciate it.

Cheers,

Andrew

I noticed that. I was only telling you that you are unlikely to find one there. Perhaps if you Google Seigen Maple you will find a nursery (most/all seem to be on the US west coast, which is a LONG way from Miami) that can ship to someone in Miami -- or South Africa.

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Re: Seigen Maple

Post  Andrew Legg on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:20 pm

I hear you Jim. I was kind hoping to get an "Oooooo ooooo oooooo, "I bought one just the other day from XYZ bonsai nursery", but perhaps they are not as common as I was hoping them to be!

Thanks for the advice though. I do appreciate it!

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Andrew

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Post  AboveBeyond on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:43 pm

I've been doing some research on Japanese maples in my area, which surprisngly has a few nurseries that specializes in Japanese Maples, but I haven't seen any Seigen. I think you're best bet would be somewhere in California.

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Post  Andrew Legg on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:01 pm

AboveBeyond wrote:I've been doing some research on Japanese maples in my area, which surprisngly has a few nurseries that specializes in Japanese Maples, but I haven't seen any Seigen. I think you're best bet would be somewhere in California.

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Seigen Maple

Post  bonsaisr on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:15 pm

Are you acquainted with South Africa's import regulations?
Iris

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Post  Andrew Legg on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:52 pm

bonsaisr wrote:Are you acquainted with South Africa's import regulations?
Iris

I'm working on getting acquainted. Importation is possible with the necessary permits in place.

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Post  drgonzo on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:12 pm

Andrew Legg wrote: "Oooooo ooooo oooooo, "I bought one just the other day from XYZ bonsai nursery", but perhaps they are not as common as I was hoping them to be!

Andrew,

I have only set eyes on ONE Seigen in all my travels. They are both rare and a bit on the fragile side. Given the ocean of available Palmatum cultivars I'm sure there is something you can find.

Documentation for import, and a willing shipper, needs to be set up well in advance and even with all your ducks in a row sometimes plants can be halted at the receiving end and denied entrance.. and then thats it. Tree goes in the dumpster. Its a scary prospect but it happens. Particularly with items coming into the US...hopefully your end will be more tolerant.

Have you given thought to the ability to keep Japanese Maple successfully in your climate?
-Jay

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Re: Seigen Maple

Post  marcus watts on Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:57 pm

hi,
definitely a very fragifle red cultivar - the only specimen reds i've known to die off of their own accord are seigen. If you are aiming to collect all the named species and must have one then good luck with the hunt. If you just want a really nice red maple I would look first to a high quality deshojo, or shin deshojo (better longer colour) or beni maiko. All these have a less feathery leaf so will cope with the temperature and wind a little better than seigen.

to survive any form of shipping i'd be looking for dormant leafless trees bought in the 'winter' in the source country - at least then you can wake the tree up in SA and have a chance of acclimatising it properly.

good luck.

Marcus

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Post  drgonzo on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:30 am

marcus watts wrote:hi,
I would look first to a high quality deshojo, or shin deshojo (better longer colour) or beni maiko. All these have a less feathery leaf so will cope with the temperature and wind a little better than seigen.

You will also have an easier time locating these cultivars, even the Beni. In my opinion they are superior for bonsai cultivation to Seigen.

-Jay

PS. go through Marcus's tree gallery and look for a pic of his Beni and you'l forget all about Seigen.

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Post  marcus watts on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:29 am

here you go.

plant import procedure

You need to plan ahead - it takes 30 days + to process the paperwork, then it has to be forwarded to the plant supplier who must sent the correct paperwork back with the tree. You have to pay a fee as well when you apply.

if i was going to this trouble i'd make sure it was a really good tree

good luck Marcus

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Re: Seigen Maple

Post  Andrew Legg on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:45 pm

Marcus, Jay,

Thanks for the advise. Someone who shall remain nameless kinda has his knickers in a twist about owning one of these, so its a case of trying to find a cheap version and see how it goes from there. There are so many variables in getting one home and growing that the risk is probably to great for a specimen tree. Maples do grow in Cape Town, but the climate is not ideal. We do struggle with leaf burn, so special care would need to be taken in terms of creating a suitable growing environment for such a tree. I'll definitely look into some if the other varieties as well.

Thanks for your time and advise!

Cheers,

Andrew

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