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Post  stonener on Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:35 am

What say you?
Granite! suiseki if all guide lines are met?
any and all opinions are welcome,
good, bad or indifferent all encouraged ... Basketball


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Re: Dreamy Granite can it be

Post  kdurais on Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:16 am

I guess you forgot to attach the picture Smile

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Post  kdurais on Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:46 pm

Is granite a good suiseki stone? Is that what you'd like to know from the members? Or am I missing the gist of your question?

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YES, Yes, yes

Post  stonener on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:12 pm

That is the question?
no picture offered, only material type,
as topic for general discussion... Basketball


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Post  Guest on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:47 pm

HI

I once posted two granit on my topic about danish stones
This one....

A black granit in its new daiza, and already with some first indoor yoseki.

I have also shown this stone.....

A red granit with thin green stripe of a kind of stone, who becomes awesome if given indoor yoseki.
Here is the stone newfound and spottet with algues....

This stone have a awesome yoseki now, but still no daiza....as soon as my arm is better am I planning one.

I have more granit in my garden. But I am not sure if I want to post photos of them, as it is not certain they will become suiseki after all. Also is the fact they become diffrent in the right daiza, cleaned, and with nice yoseki.

I have the stones in more colors...yellow.... yellow/black.... pale yellow/salmon/bluegray....black/greengray.....red/black.....all of them have "suisekishape"

Granit also comes blended with other kinds of stone....I have a incredible "mountainstone"...as close to a mountainstone I can find in Denmark...may dissappoint some....this stone is white/salmon/oxblod/yellow/black/green, and striped with the diffrent kind of green stone, who becomes incredible from yoseki...almost antique,dark green transparent.
A another blendstone is the gray/black stone with the yellow granit frog....this stone can be seen in the topic " suiseki at Oles camp"


I may sound terrible interesting, but if I show them now, will you maybe become dissapointed after all.
At the moment do I prefer to show them "finished"

Kind regards Yvonne ,

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I too think you do a good job

Post  stonener on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:31 pm

Ms Yvonne!
Thank You for your time and great pictures... Suspect
easy to see why you also like granite.
I have a few of these stones, which I found irresistible!... cyclops
but no daiza made because not sure if granite can be considered suiseki.
To me they are all beautiful because they are as my children.
Your pictures are good visual examples that granite can be!... Basketball

Kdurais no miss, Is granite a good suiseki stone?
asking yes or no & reasons why?... study






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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:49 am

I forgot to mention the first granit in a daiza, found a year ago...it still have no indoor yoseki, as I have been unsure about the stone....Also do I theese days have the thought, some granit is better without youseki, to keep the "many" collors, in this kind of stone more quiet

Photo is too pale

Collor better here......

The stone can be looked at, as boring....We dont have exiting stones in Denmark...but a landskapestone it is, and here we also could have a matter of taste.
Fingers can be pointed at the grainy part on the stone....but this is not newly broken parts....the grainy parts are clearly old.
Some people only like smooth, and preferably black stones, as they have caught their eye...
But if you study japanese stone harder, will you find all kind of stones...collors, grainy, and so on...theese stones, if very hard, look great with indoor yoseki...the rough parts make the stone interesting.
Is the stone of a softer kind, is watering in suiban nice.
I have not seen japanese stonelovers use granit.....They dont have granit...But I am quit sure they would have used them if they had.
In my country am I lucky to find this kind of stone, and if it has a shape, usefull for suiseki, have I no doubt in my mind, this kind of stone is nice suisekimaterial...Not traditionel japanese, ofcourse, as this is a western stone.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:21 pm

More......
Some of you have read about, what I have experienced in Japan.....I spoke to some local japanese people more than one time. People who loves the suiseki, and does not have anything to do with western people....
To those people is ONLY japanese stones suiseki....to say I have danish suiseki, will end the conversation in a minit...a kean japanese collector of suiseki, also collected chinese stones...he said chinese stones was only stones, even if they was mounted in a wooden seat.

If we look at this information in a poetic way...only local stones is suiseki .....is it exacly what I do, collect local stones in my country...this will say, granit is suiseki, and flint witch Denmark is build on, too...as long as they have a shape, wanted for suiseki.

How about that Smile
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KAMEGATA-ISHI

Post  stonener on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:12 pm

Turtle shell shape? stone, granite... cyclops
suiseki yes or suiseki no?
what say you?

top & bottom... cyclops


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Post  kdurais on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:21 pm

Sorry Stonener. I don't see a turtle.

But on the question of whether Granite would make a good suiseki, I'd have to say yes. But it is doubly hard to find Granite suiseki given its hardness. The stone does not give itself to be shaped by the elements.

I'd like your opinion on the stones I posted.

Regards,
Karthik

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:44 am

Dear Stoner

I like your stone. But I'm affraid that isnt Granite.
Granite is always grainy, and never has iternal fissures . Is that the right word?. Thats why we use Granite as a building material for eons, it doesnt crack, for it doesnt have weaknesses. Can you imagine your stone as a building material...no it would crack on those fussured lines, which causes weak points

Yvonnes stones are Granite.
Yvonne I love what you said about the Poetic sense of suiseki, that only the once picked up in your own country, could be suiseki

About the question wheather granite could be suiseki or not... I think almost any kind of stone can be suiseki, if it falls within those rules. There are examples of Copper Ore as suiseki! But i'm not an suiseki expert.

Stoner your stone looks to me like Howlite, or it could be Agate. I'm almost sure it is a metomorhic stone

Karthik you said...
But it is doubly hard to find Granite suiseki given its hardness. The stone does not give itself to be shaped by the elements.

Here is a sample of the Hardest Granite Found in Katzarin (God I hope I spelled this right) in Israel, The whole town was build out of this black Granite. Carved by human hands! This is a piece of the Temple pediment. ( No I did not break it of!) Very Happy



This is what happend to it after being exposed to a desert like climate for 2000 years... This is part of a Grinding stone, It use to be a full circle
As you can see it weathers quite fast in geological terms!! And i promise you this granite is extremely hard.
Stoner you would find it interesting that Jesus Christ cursed this town while he visit it. It was destroyed by an earth quake soon after!




What do you think of the Natural Daiza, We call this wood 'Hardekool' meaning Hardcoal. You find it it the Kalahari and Namib Deserts, and it is also naturally weathered. When I picked it up, I instandly new it would make a very nice Snail!!

Love and light
Andre
ps. Can a stone that was altered by man, and then again weathered by nature, be called suiseki?



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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:17 pm

Reading Andres words was interesting

It is for sure black granit you have Andre.....I just happens to know granit comes in stripes...they are not paralel, and end all the time....the distance between the lines can be so long, that some stone appears to be without.

I can imagine my black suiseki in the daiza once broke off from a larger rock, when it was in the ocean, in what would have been a uneven stripe...also is the platous, end of stripes, as the stone is without any other kind of stone or brakelines...pure black granit.

It is almost the same with the red granit who is waiting for a daiza....it broke in stripes.

I have one more black granit from the ocean, a elegant slopestone...I dont look as it ever was a part of a bigger stone

Indoor yoseki has been started up...the stone will be very speciel in time Smile


After reading you reply, did I take a closer look at my stone with the yellow granitfrog....I used to think it was a very hard rough sandstone, and expected it to loose sandcorn when rubbing...this is not the fact...I never saw loose sand fall off, just expected it to do so....after seeing Andres photo, am I now sure the stone is all granit.

Please see how the lines is not in paralel stripes.

The frogstone is now suddenly ten times more lovely to me now, thanks to Andres photo Smile

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:05 pm

Forgot to say...I dont think Stoneners white stone is granit.

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naturaly polished

Post  stonener on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:14 pm

Hello Karthik, Yvonne & Andre,
Your thoughts are all very interesting,
and appreciated... Basketball

Karthik I see a turtle shell in the stone,
scaly top and smooth bottom... Suspect

Yvonne thank you for all the pictures,
worth a thousand words, your daiza are very nice.... Suspect

Andre our kitchen counters made of granite,
and are polished smooth, this stone naturally
however maybe it's more quarts?... Suspect

Just heard by PM that red granite is famous,
and commonly used in Japan as suiseki... Basketball



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Post  Andre Beaurain on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:11 am

Stoner kitchen counters all over the world are made from Granite.... thats what I said.... Granite = Building material.

Did you have a look at Howlite?

Nobody likes my snail? Sad

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Post  Guest on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:20 am

Nobody likes my snail? ...I loved it, but your words was so interesting I forgot to mention....please forgive....

Just heard by PM that red granite is famous,
and commonly used in Japan as suiseki...

Stonener...I know the very hard red jasper is very famous in japan, one of the top 5 stones....are you sure your PM is right?...I never saw granite in Japan

Kind regards Yvonne


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Re: Dreamy Granite can it be

Post  Andre Beaurain on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:28 am

Thanks Yvonne.

I also like the simplicity of your frog and the display, the table the daiza all simple and powerfull.

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not true

Post  stonener on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:39 am

Your snail, r i g h t !
Oh Ya! Well I'd buy it... bounce

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trusted sores

Post  stonener on Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:48 am

Ms Yvonne!, If I told you who!,
you too would believe, well maybe!
"HE" said has been for long time... Basketball

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:12 am

Interesting to know where Red granite comes from.

Its Red because of the Iron oxcide in it.
Apparantly Millions of years ago the seas where saturated with iron.
Then life appeard! (Created if you want) In the form of phytoplankton first. Micorscopic life that started to photosynthesized, Using the sunlight to make food for itself.
What happens during photosynthesis? OXYGEN get released!
What happens when Iron come in contact with Oxygen............It rusts!! When this happend the iron became heavy an sank to the bottom of the oceans. And valla a red desposit of Iron on mass everywhere.
So when you find a layer of Red Rock, remember where it use to be....


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Post  Guest on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:34 am

stonener wrote:Ms Yvonne!, If I told you who!,
you too would believe, well maybe!
"HE" said has been for long time... Basketball

This is some kind of a coversationstopper, to begin talking about a man who knows much better, but only want to pm. without giving a name.

Stonener...your friend must have some photos to show us....I was through my books and catalogs, also searching my mind, trying to remember seeing red granit in japan...no luck....And what about the other sort of granit with diffrent collors...were are they in Japan?...I cant belive they would only have red.

Hi Andre
Thanks for explaning how the granit became red....It is completely impossible to really understand how looong time, creating stones, has taken.
You asked in a topic if it was possible to alter a stone, and thereafter give it yoseki in the garden...Yes, you can do this, from a minor chance, to a big one. In Japan is it done...I am afraid, more often, than you care about, to know.
It is said, not one Fujimountain in Japan is natural.
It is all a matter of how YOU feel a good suiseki should be, and were to draw a line.

Kind regards Yvonne


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Post  trantanhung_nt on Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:48 am

Hello Stonener ,
Yvonne and Andre Beaurain ,
I am agree with Andre Beaurain ... Your stone is not Granit material ( peut- être ( can ) it is metamorphic material)
But I can attention ( care ) to the nice of your stone ...
Thank you .
Hưng - Trần .

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Post  kdurais on Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:02 pm

Hi,

On the topic of granite, this is what Jim Greaves (author of Beyond the Black Mountain: color, pattern and form) has to say.

"Granite, a stone seldom of use for viewing stones because of the generally lighter colors and granular nature."

I tend to agree with him.
Karthik

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Post  winwin schuck on Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:44 pm

stonener wrote:What say you?
Granite! suiseki if all guide lines are met?
any and all opinions are welcome,
good, bad or indifferent all encouraged ... Basketball

Hi stonener,

your statement " Granite suiseki if all guide lines are met?"
Please view my granite pet bird posted. can this pass as suiseki

thanks,
win


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so many experts

Post  stonener on Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:32 am

Why not Win!
It has shape, as object, bird you say... Like a Star @ heaven
It looks hard, between 5-7 on scale... Like a Star @ heaven
It has color, black adds interest... Like a Star @ heaven
It has surface patina, looks weathered... Like a Star @ heaven
It has a natural flat base, desirable... Like a Star @ heaven
It has no fresh breaks, cracks or sharp edges... Like a Star @ heaven
It looks kept in as found condition,... Suspect
Yes I see beauty, strength and character in this stone,... Suspect
don't you?
but I'll be the first to tell you!, I'm an expert on nothing... Basketball

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