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White Pine - Restyle

Post  dinh on Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:31 am

Well, I got this JWP two years ago as a gift from a friend, who is in Koi hobby and belong to the same koi club here in NorCal. I have not done much work on this except restyle in early spring during repot.

Here are few pictures before and after restyle. JWP1 is the original, JWP3 is the one after restyle early on. Any suggestion for improvemnet, please let me know.

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--Dinh

Original

Trying

After first restyle

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Post  efishn on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:50 am

Hi,
This is very nice tree, i like it very much.
I hope u will forgive me but i prefer a lot the original ver.
Its much more dramatic and interesting.
So... i would say...take the original and go from there.

Efi

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Post  peter keane on Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:50 am

Excellent work! You now have a proud tree tree with a greater sense of balance. I presume that the pot you chose is to temporary to accommodate the roots (as it's really for cascade styles).. When you wire it in the fall, ensure that the branches open in planes. This will allow light to encourage dormant budding for density. In future years, you may be losing that tail on the bottom. but, give it time to develop before you decide.

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Post  yamasuri on Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:01 pm

Even you lost nice nebari this restyling is definitely improvement. Will be more easy accomodate nice apex and overal refinement over time. Good work!
Regards Vlad

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Post  rainbow1811 on Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:12 pm

efishn wrote:Hi,
This is very nice tree, i like it very much.
I hope u will forgive me but i prefer a lot the original ver.
Its much more dramatic and interesting.
So... i would say...take the original and go from there.

Efi

me too Wink .

hi Dinh, your name looks like the Vietnamese, are you ?

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Post  marcus watts on Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Hi, nice bark ! Very Happy

I think the better tree was actually there by tilting it more the other way into a really good cascade - far more unusual & dramatic and all the essential bits are there to be used too.
I feel going upright makes it into a more normal tree with very poor branching in the middle, but I must admit we all restyle trees to the deisign that pleases us most, so nicely done, and nice friend !!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

cheers Marcus

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Post  dinh on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:26 am

efishn wrote:Hi,
This is very nice tree, i like it very much.
I hope u will forgive me but i prefer a lot the original ver.
Its much more dramatic and interesting.
So... i would say...take the original and go from there.

Efi

Hi Efi,
I am in process of learning, so your hornest input is greatly appreciated.
I can say that it's just the beginning of the work on this JWP.

Best,
-Dinh

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Post  dinh on Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:32 am

peter keane wrote:Excellent work! You now have a proud tree tree with a greater sense of balance. I presume that the pot you chose is to temporary to accommodate the roots (as it's really for cascade styles).. When you wire it in the fall, ensure that the branches open in planes. This will allow light to encourage dormant budding for density. In future years, you may be losing that tail on the bottom. but, give it time to develop before you decide.

Many thanks for your input Peter. You are right about the pot. As you can see it is just a training pot to accommodate the roots. It wasn't so healthy when I first got it, so I planned to use this pot for now until the tree is healthier.

Best,
--Dinh

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Post  marcus watts on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:24 am

hi again,

i know what looks odd now in the final picture - it is styled as 2 seperate trees, one on top of the other. Very Happy - its because that middle section has no branches that it looks like another trunk.

The good upright tree is just the lower bit - powerfull trunk, strong canopy, no upper bit.....that is a really nice bonsai image, But for me a true mature white pine cascade is a more unusual and interesting tree from this material, even though it is technically a much harder tree to keep strong and healthy.

it has a good future though for sure.

Marcus


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Post  dinh on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:34 am

marcus watts wrote:Hi, nice bark ! Very Happy

I think the better tree was actually there by tilting it more the other way into a really good cascade - far more unusual & dramatic and all the essential bits are there to be used too.
I feel going upright makes it into a more normal tree with very poor branching in the middle, but I must admit we all restyle trees to the deisign that pleases us most, so nicely done, and nice friend !!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

cheers Marcus

I was thnking of semi cascade at first. But I do not have the skill to bench JWP to make it a truely semi cascade. But this is just the beginning of trying for a final design.

Here are 2 close shot pixes of the trunk new the lowest branch to review the bark and the lowest branch....






Thanks Marcus,
--D

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Re: White Pine - Restyle

Post  dick benbow on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:57 pm

Hi Dinh,
Good for you for putting the health of the tree first. In the years that I've been around JWP, I can't ever remember seeing a cascade style. Feel that it would be unique but if you don't feel confident with the style then don't use it. Love the nebari on that tree and hope you'll always keep that a strong feature.

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Post  dinh on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:43 pm

dick benbow wrote:Hi Dinh,
Good for you for putting the health of the tree first. In the years that I've been around JWP, I can't ever remember seeing a cascade style. Feel that it would be unique but if you don't feel confident with the style then don't use it. Love the nebari on that tree and hope you'll always keep that a strong feature.

Thanks Dick. Just so you know that Larry G. gave me this tree ;-))

Best,
--Dinh

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Post  dick benbow on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:14 pm

I would have never quessed where you got your tree from. very generous. Kinda reminds me of a person a few years back who got me a doutsu aka bekko. Smile

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Post  fiona on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:32 pm

There are many fine examples of cascade/semi-cascade white pines. You can see some HERE and google images yields many more.

I am currently growing one on in the ground that was reshaped from a piece of informal upright raw material and it is doing very well. I reckon it'll take a good few years yet to get it to the thickness I want. FWIW you can get an idea of that process HERE. One day I may get round to doing a porgression thread on this tree.

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Post  dinh on Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:06 am

fiona wrote:There are many fine examples of cascade/semi-cascade white pines. You can see some HERE and google images yields many more.

I am currently growing one on in the ground that was reshaped from a piece of informal upright raw material and it is doing very well. I reckon it'll take a good few years yet to get it to the thickness I want. FWIW you can get an idea of that process HERE. One day I may get round to doing a porgression thread on this tree.

Thank you Fiona and thanks for the links.

Best,
--D

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