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Help Identifying This Conifer

Post  cmd5235 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:11 pm

Hey all,

This tree was taken last year from an area around the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, USA. I'm not sure what kind of tree it is. My first thought would have been a hemlock, but it doesn't look like any I've seen- the needles don't seem to be right for a hemlock. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!







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Re: Help Identifying This Conifer

Post  Leo Schordje on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:37 pm

most likely one or another species of spruce, genus Picea. Seedlings are hard to tell apart, look at checklists of species of trees native to where you picked this up. Then look up the differences between the 'likely suspects'. Hemlocks and Firs have more flattened needles.
Check the sticky notes on identifying trees and internet resources. Especially top of Bonsai Questions and top of Bonsai Discussions sub-forums.

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Post  Dendrogeek on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:24 am

Judging from the spacing of the needles and pointed buds, I'd say Norway spruce (Picea abies) It's a little yellow, so maybe you should ease off with the water.

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Post  gman on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:12 pm

It is not a hemlock, my guess is Pseudotsuga menziesii var. glauca, or Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir????/..........is an evergreen conifer native to the interior mountainous regions of western North America, from central British Columbia and southwest Alberta in Canada southward through the United States to the far north of Mexico.....or a spruce perhaps.


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Post  drgonzo on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:23 pm

gman wrote:It is not a hemlock or true fir (abies), my guess is Pseudotsuga menziesii var. glauca, or Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir????/..........is an evergreen conifer native to the interior mountainous regions of western North America, from central British Columbia and southwest Alberta in Canada southward through the United States to the far north of Mexico.

Is that a species one is likely to encounter in Pennsylvania?
-Jay

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Post  gman on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:56 pm

Jay, you are right, I should have noted the location.... therefore……it is probably; Norway Spruce (Picea abies (L.) Karst) or Colorado Blue Spruce (Picea pungens Engelm.) which are native to Pennsylvania.
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Post  Dendrogeek on Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:15 pm

gman wrote:It is not a hemlock, my guess is Pseudotsuga menziesii var. glauca, or Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir????/

Pseudotsuga menziesii is western/mountain hemlock, nothing whatsoever to do with and nothing like Douglas or any other fir. Colorado spruce (Picea pungens) has much fatter, closer and BLUE needles that point more forward and fat rounded terminal buds. This is Norway spruce (Picea abies).

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Re: Help Identifying This Conifer

Post  gman on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:15 pm

Dendrogeek wrote:
gman wrote:It is not a hemlock, my guess is Pseudotsuga menziesii var. glauca, or Rocky Mountain Douglas-fir????/

Pseudotsuga menziesii is western/mountain hemlock, nothing whatsoever to do with and nothing like Douglas or any other fir. Colorado spruce (Picea pungens) has much fatter, closer and BLUE needles that point more forward and fat rounded terminal buds. This is Norway spruce (Picea abies).
Dear Dendrogeek, I made a guess at it from the photo and nothing else then I did some searching on the web.....
You said that Pseudotsuga menziesii is NOT Douglas fir ????? If you google Douglas fir you will find that it is..... and I agree the tree in question does not look like a true fir i.e. the Abies species.
Now if you google western hemlock you will find its Tsuga heterophylla....not Pseudotsuga menziesii and mountain hemlock is Tsuga mertensiana.

What I did was look up the common conifers that are native to Pennsylvania which are;
Buckeyes Eastern Hemlock
Eastern RedCedar
Colorado Blue Spruce
Norway Spruce
Red Pine
Scots Pine
Table Mountain Pine
Virginia Pine
Pitch Pine
Eastern White Pine
American Larch

So that's why I offered up the two spruces common to the posters area.
Cheers Graham

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Re: Help Identifying This Conifer

Post  Dendrogeek on Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:10 pm


Gman, You are absolutely right, of course. I should have proof read my hastily written response. However, researching native species will only provide a list of possible options; there is nothing to suggest that this plant is, indeed, native (for example, one can dig wild Scots pine seedlings in many parts of the country and none are native). Having said that, this is still Picea abies.

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