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To wire, or not to wire? That is a stupid question.

Post  Ryan B on Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:15 am

Smithy,
I agree with your first commenters' suggestions...that wire is necessary. If it weren't, then why was the overhead weird pic of the flowers necessary? Because they were invisible from the front. Detail wire fixes that for show, when you intend to show it. But of course you're far off from there, so why bother? Just be sure those potentilla veins don't bleed you dry when it's time to bend them thick ;-)
Enjoy it natural until its show ready...then it may be too late or stupid risky to wire what could be wired in now as a lark. It's painting, not controlling nature. You move the colors of the pads and the bark and rue deadwood where you want them to be, and hope the tree speaks for the life story you've painted....wire is a boon, to hear anyone denigrate it is a lack of understanding of the history of the art.
That's not a mean comment, or a small one, is it?! Herr Pall spends hours himself and his students hours more over multiple years of setting and resetting branches for that "old school Japanese" look. You dont have the advantage of being Walter Pall.
Wire the branches so I can see the flowers without some retard aerial shot and you're on you're way!(also, better definition of the live veins, do some cutting so they differentiate themselves......here it comes.
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Post  Smithy on Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:41 pm

Ryan B wrote:Smithy,
I agree with your first commenters' suggestions...that wire is necessary. If it weren't, then why was the overhead weird pic of the flowers necessary? Because they were invisible from the front. Detail wire fixes that for show, when you intend to show it. But of course you're far off from there, so why bother? Just be sure those potentilla veins don't bleed you dry when it's time to bend them thick ;-)
Enjoy it natural until its show ready...then it may be too late or stupid risky to wire what could be wired in now as a lark. It's painting, not controlling nature. You move the colors of the pads and the bark and rue deadwood where you want them to be, and hope the tree speaks for the life story you've painted....wire is a boon, to hear anyone denigrate it is a lack of understanding of the history of the art.
That's not a mean comment, or a small one, is it?! Herr Pall spends hours himself and his students hours more over multiple years of setting and resetting branches for that "old school Japanese" look. You dont have the advantage of being Walter Pall.
Wire the branches so I can see the flowers without some retard aerial shot and you're on you're way!(also, better definition of the live veins, do some cutting so they differentiate themselves......here it comes.
Ryan
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/

Ryan ,
I do understand what wiring is for in Bonsai and wire many of my trees . Sometimes i just to try technique out for myself to decide which is the best path to take rather than just reading about stuff. I always take on board comments and think about them and never to scared to do things different. I have already decided to cut and grow and wire this tree next year.

You say ' .wire is a boon, to hear anyone denigrate it is a lack of understanding of the history of the art.' ,im not sure if you are refering to me but i enjoy wiring my trees and think there is room for all techniqes put together. This tree has had a lot of clip and grow and a bit of wire so far . Next year more clip and grow and a bit more wire than before.
In my limited knowledge has wiring been a new invention in the 'history of the art'.


Wire the branches so I can see the flowers without some retard aerial shot and you're on you're way,
Rolling Eyes I had many thoughts about this statement but thought in the end i wouldn't bother.

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Post  GašperG on Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:47 pm

Hi Smithy,

I like it when people are open to suggestions although very determined about the path they take (and are still able to reply like you did).

Very beautiful potentilla you have...love the twisting and turning of the trunk and deadwood. thumbs up I wish i could get my hands on anything half that good...

Best...

Gašper

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Post  leatherback on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:58 am

Smithy wrote:A potentilla i dug up from garden a few years ago. It was half dead and dug up in the middle of a hot summer so I'm pleased how it has come on. Looked good today in flower so i thought i would post a photo.

Hi Smithy,

Just came across this post of yours when looking for info on collecting potentilla.

I have just confirmed purchase of a hedgerow of Potentilla's, which need to be gone by saturday. Unfortunately, that will also be the start of a hot spell, with full cloudless skies and 25+ celcius. Not ideal. How did you go about the collection? Will statr a separate thread for the question too.


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Post  giga on Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:37 pm

I'm in love with this bonsai so awesome

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Post  Smithy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:41 pm

leatherback wrote:
Smithy wrote:A potentilla i dug up from garden a few years ago. It was half dead and dug up in the middle of a hot summer so I'm pleased how it has come on. Looked good today in flower so i thought i would post a photo.

Hi Smithy,

Just came across this post of yours when looking for info on collecting potentilla.

I have just confirmed purchase of a hedgerow of Potentilla's, which need to be gone by saturday. Unfortunately, that will also be the start of a hot spell, with full cloudless skies and 25+ celcius. Not ideal. How did you go about the collection? Will statr a separate thread for the question too.


Hi Jelle,
When i dig things up in the summer i just try and get as much of the root with the original soil still with it and just stuff it into a pot. Whether its because i work as a gardener i have a no fuss attitude to my trees . This one was quite small so it was easy ,the bigger they are the harder it is in the summer. Good luck with it.

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Post  Smithy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:45 pm

giga wrote:I'm in love with this bonsai so awesome

Thanks , i had a bit of a change with it this year . I put it into a bigger pot just for growing on for a year or two. Then i wanted to get rid of the straight bit of trunk and get the tree smaller.





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Post  GašperG on Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:12 pm

Again, I love it!! ...how tall is it? Looks awesome for a "half dead tree" you dug back than!  ThumbsUp

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Post  leatherback on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:09 am

Hey Smithy,

thx for that.

Smithy wrote: Whether its because i work as a gardener i have a no fuss attitude to my trees .

Hehe, I have the same attitude most of the time. But when you go out to dig up 20-30-.. shrubs, I would feel really bad if most of them don't live to tell the tale.. And babying one or two plants for a few months is one thing. If you have to do this with several dozens..

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Post  Smithy on Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:16 pm

Sounds like they have to be dug up any way so any you get to live will be a bonus. Rather you than me digging 20 or 30 up in the heat next week . Very Happy  Good luck with them .

I just use multi purpose compost to fill around them in the pots , seems to work fine for me. Stick them in the shade if its really hot, but you probably know that anyway.

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Post  leatherback on Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:37 am

Smithy wrote:Stick them in the shade if its really hot, but you probably know that anyway.
Yup. Got a row of asperges at the end of my veggiesection in the garden, and a walkway next to it. No walking there the next couple of weeks. It will be potent-heaven

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