Style suggestion for shohin olive?

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Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Sun May 27, 2012 6:08 pm

A present of my friend, this olive tree has a double trunk.
(Nebari: 7-8 cm dia., each trunk has a dia of 3 cm, height: 20 cm)

However, I am not sure to go for twin trunk style as the trunk on left hand side is FORMAL, but the trunk on right hand side is INFORMAL (S shaped).
So, this material does not seem good for twin trunk style in this concern!

So I should choose one of these trunks to go on, and I want to work on S shaped (INFORMAL) trunk.
However, this trunk has a deep cut/damage at mid point (see last 2 pics).

And now it seems that I have to choose the trunk that has FORMAL form (even I do not want to choose this one).
I will really appreciate your comments and suggestions!








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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Peter E. on Sun May 27, 2012 9:32 pm

you need to cut one trunk by 60% to make a twin trunk.
You need to decide which one is the Main trunk.

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Sun May 27, 2012 9:41 pm

Hi Peter,

Thank you for your comment.
I know I should shorten one of them for twin trunk, however my main problem is that left trunk is like a capital "I" and right trunk is just like a capital "S" (disharmony) Very Happy
Also right trunk (S) has a big and deep cut (at mid point) which may cause tree to die in the future.
So, in case, I shorten this trunk then form will be "I" + inverse "c" Sad

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Peter E. on Sun May 27, 2012 10:05 pm

Cut straight trunk to base and see how "s" trunk develops.
Then you could cut "s" trunk back to damaged area.??/

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Sun May 27, 2012 10:16 pm

Peter E. wrote:Cut straight trunk to base and see how "s" trunk develops.
Then you could cut "s" trunk back to damaged area.??/

Sounds good! At least I will have a mame olive Smile
I will wait for more options/suggestions, then decide for best.

Thank you very much!

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Poink88 on Sun May 27, 2012 10:31 pm

If it is mine, I will remove the straight one (plant as cutting) then decide after depending on how the remaining branch looks like.

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Mon May 28, 2012 6:45 pm

Dario,
Thank you very much for your input!
It seems that the straight trunk will go away Smile
I will keep the questionnaire open for a few days more Smile

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Mitch Thomas on Tue May 29, 2012 6:48 pm

Sakaki
Here is my olive I styled in march. I think it is very similar to yours.

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Tue May 29, 2012 7:57 pm

Mitch Thomas wrote:Sakaki
Here is my olive I styled in march. I think it is very similar to yours.

Hi Mitch,

I could not see clearly in photos; did yours have double trunk at the beginning, then you removed one of them?
If so, what is your suggestion for me? Which one to remove or shorten, or ? Smile

Thank you
Taner

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Mitch Thomas on Tue May 29, 2012 9:12 pm

Sakaki
Actually there were two trunks and three almost equal apexes.
In this photo look at the top and you can see where I cut the center one then hollowed it out.
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In this one there was a secondary trunk that was cut and hollowed out close to the about 1/3 rd of the way up.
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I am sorry I am posting from my phone and cannot make these images larger.

In your case you will first of all decide how tall your finished tree will be. Then work your way down. I would take all the ones you cannot bend with wire, or if they are to straight or to thick. Remember the higher in the tree the thinner the branches should be. You can carve out or hollow out all large cuts to add interest and the look of age.

This was the first styling of this tree, there is much more to come in developing it. All I wanted to do was the set the basic skeleton of the tree. In my tree you cannot see it has a killer nabari and surface roots. The root pad is only 1 - 1/2" deep so it will go into a much shallower pot. The trunk is about 3" in dia. And is in a 19" pot now

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Tue May 29, 2012 9:36 pm

Dear Mitch,

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation and photos that are really & clearly helpful!
I got what you mean!
Goodbye for straight trunk then Smile

P.S.: I am now considering not to completely remove straight one, but shorten it as much as possible (near to nebari) by leaving one or a few shoots. Then I will watch it till next year.

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Mitch Thomas on Tue May 29, 2012 10:24 pm

Tanner
That's what I would do you can always shorten it later.


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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Sakaki on Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 pm

I just closely examined the informal trunk and saw that there is a deep crack down to the nebari Sad
What's worse: buds/sprouts along edges of this crack are too weak (less developed) compared to the other sprouts on same trunk and other trunk (see first picture) Sad
It is clear that these buds cannot take the energy well.
I have doubt that these buds/sprouts along the crack may die in future. So, I may lose 2/3 of trunk periphery soon Sad
I've just re-examined your tree and saw that this is not the case in your tree!
I am sitting on egg Suspect

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Re: Style suggestion for shohin olive?

Post  Mitch Thomas on Wed May 30, 2012 12:49 am

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Give it some time, olives are known for recovering from damage. On mine there is one heavy branch mid way that I V notched on the bottom and bent it down, I noticed that some cambien sliped. I tought it was a gonner but it has recovered and is budding. Let some branches grow out a bit then start a rigorous regiment of terminal buds removal. It will bud every where there is a live vien.

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