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Post  Robert Steven on Sat May 12, 2012 5:26 pm

Today, I found one of my very old Pemphis was severely rotten on the lower part of the trunk, most of the wooden trunk was gone and only small vein alive. God, no hope ?



Wondering around to repot in new style..but what to do on the tiny part with the heavy invert-tapering ?
There is always solution, as I always believe. What do you think ?...I am challenging your imagination...before I post what I did... pirat
(But sorry, no reward this time... Very Happy )



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Post  marcus watts on Sat May 12, 2012 5:43 pm

hi Robert, - for me 3 options

I'd coil up the live vein (wrapped and wired if needed) so the roots and upper trunk get closer together. Then the tree can be replanted with the piece you are holding at soil level. And I'd properly treat the remaining dead wood so the rotting is stopped (or at least slowed down) and the same thing doesnt happen again in a few years.

For a quick easy option the tree can be attached to a rock with the lower trunk (now a 'root') flowing down, or through Very Happy the rock. The roots will then be under the rock, in some soil. Again I would properly treat the wood with a modern wood hardener like B72 to slow the rotting.

final solution is to replant the tree in the wild, or your garden, as it has given you plenty of pleasure in the past. Then you have more time to work with a better tree Very Happy

cheers Marcus

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Post  Robert Steven on Sat May 12, 2012 5:51 pm

Thanks Marcus...

Option 1 will certainly not work because it's very brittle, a little bend will break... pale
Option 3.. It's not a challence... Very Happy
Option 2...Sound interesting, any other thought ? bounce

Well..almost midnight now and should go to bed. Hope to see more option tomorrow. Have fun and wonderful weekends...Good night Sleep

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Post  kauaibonsai on Sat May 12, 2012 6:25 pm

hi robert

I would find a beautiful piece of pemphis deadwood, and attach the tree. make something more beautiful by joining 2 lesser parts.

best wishes, sam

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Post  marcus watts on Sat May 12, 2012 6:31 pm

hi Robert,
shame about the brittle wood is it was a powerfull little tree like that


option 3 has no challenge but they are very interesting in the wild too


I thought of the rock as this one is a hollow rock i made from 4 pieces so the center has a hole with soil to plant the trees in. I have 2 junipers - needle and scale in it, but the idea works well with your tree.


cheers Marcus

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Inverted taper

Post  dorothy7774 on Sat May 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Emphasizing it? Very Happy Best, Dorothy


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Post  Sakaki on Sun May 13, 2012 12:03 am

Considering that the tree is still alive, cant it be rooted just above the rotten part using an airlayering-like treatment?

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Post  Craig Cowing on Sun May 13, 2012 1:38 am

Sakaki wrote:Considering that the tree is still alive, cant it be rooted just above the rotten part using an airlayering-like treatment?

I was just thinking that. That would be my vote.

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Post  Robert Steven on Sun May 13, 2012 4:50 am

Sam, Tanuki ? No way..you know me... Evil or Very Mad Very Happy But thanks any way, ofcourse we can do it this way...

Sakaki, Craig. Air-layering is another option, but I don't think it will solve the invert-tapering issue if that's what you thought. The upper part of the deadwood will continue rootening as it is touching the ground, and the same problem will occure again very soon..then we will have problem with the heavy foliation.

I like what Dorothy said " Emphasizing it..." (she knows me well..). Most of the time, I don't try to hide an "ugly" part of my bonsai materials because I always believe, if I can explore the "ugly" part in a good way, it will become a unique point of interest that make the bonsai outstanding; and I believe there is always a way of solution for any material.
So any idea to emphasize it, Dorothy ?

Wanna try something out of the box ? I will post of what I did tomorrow...
Have a sunny Sunday then... sunny

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Post  marcus watts on Sun May 13, 2012 8:01 am

option 4)
to make it look really old use a splitter on the thin section and cut it in half all the way down so you have 2 halves with roots on each. ease them apart so you have a wider but hollow trunk. The top foliage is all much too young and dense and rounded for a old battered hollow tree though, so time to cut lots off so the whole tree becomes balancedd. (Even with the trunk as it is the foliage is not matching the aged trunk appearance, I feel it needs to be 'older and battered'.......Jun needs to blow on it cheers !

haha, its a fantastic sunny sunday here - not a cloud in the sky... Very Happy

have a good day Robert

cheers Marcus

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Post  Craig Cowing on Sun May 13, 2012 1:45 pm

One more suggestion--do a root over rock planting, so that the weak part of the trunk is not in the soil but against a bare rock.

Perhaps like the suggestion above.

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Post  Robert Steven on Sun May 13, 2012 2:21 pm

Thanks Craig,

Let's wait to see what Dorothy's idea as she said "Emphasizing it" before I post what I did.
BTW, looks like Jun drops this challence... Suspect

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Sun May 13, 2012 6:31 pm

Hi Robert
I guess I also tried to plant a tree on a suitable stone. Or a little differently. I tried virtual. I do not know if it is possible in reality. Very Happy


Greetings Pavel

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Post  cbobgo on Sun May 13, 2012 6:36 pm

Dorothy did show what she meant - look more closely at her picture. I missed it at first glance too.

- bob

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Post  dorothy7774 on Sun May 13, 2012 9:40 pm

cbobgo wrote:Dorothy did show what she meant - look more closely at her picture. I missed it at first glance too.

- bob

Thanks, Bob cheers :




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Post  Robert Steven on Mon May 14, 2012 4:27 am

Thanks Bob.
Dorothy and Pavel, it's impossible to re-plant it that way because the lower part has no more wood, so it will not strong enough to support the standing...

Well, as Marcus and Craig's suggestion to plant on rock, that seem to be the only way out..and that's what I did here...

I had a massive rock....



Fortunately, the size, the shape and the curves just fit perfectly to the tree...



Here it started...



The rock's curves just perfectly fitted the flow of the trunk, the upper part deadwood perfectly hooked to the rock and the roots just about to reach the soil surface...



Now I trimmed the foliage so it was not so densed and heavy...



OK..then I tilted a little bit to the right to get better visual balance...



Then, the last thing to do was to wrap the lower part and filled with soil to let the roots growing down; then gradually take out the soil, exposing the roots...



and this is my simulated future....
The main problem is solved.The invert-tapering is no more an issue, in the contrary, this becomes a point of interest..and a unique design.
The figurines are just to enhance the thematic messsage and play another composition role.



Hope you enjoy it...

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Mon May 14, 2012 6:29 am

Very nice development Robert.!!!!! ThumbsUp
Thank you for sharing and inspiration.
Greetings Pavel

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Post  Sakaki on Mon May 14, 2012 12:49 pm

Good rock & combination.
Your rock also looks like a skull (with hat) Smile


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Post  Robert Steven on Mon May 14, 2012 1:00 pm

Thanks Pavel and Sakaki...

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Post  dorothy7774 on Tue May 15, 2012 4:02 am

Looks great, Robert! Thanks for the learning opportunity.

Best,
Dorothy

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Post  Robert Steven on Tue May 15, 2012 4:05 am

Thanks Dorothy...

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Post  Sam Ogranaja on Tue May 15, 2012 4:41 am

dorothy7774 wrote:Looks great, Robert! Thanks for the learning opportunity.

Best,
Dorothy

My gosh Robert, you amaze me yet again. To see where you took this material is incredible.

I second what Dorothy said. Thank you so much for the learning opportunity.
Have a great week!!!!
Sam

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Post  Robert Steven on Tue May 15, 2012 4:53 am

Thanks Sam. This was one of my oldest pemphis in raft style, then one of the trunk was rotten out this way...
I will post the other part later.

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Post  gshowman2002 on Tue May 15, 2012 9:51 am

Robert Steven wrote:Thanks Bob.
Dorothy and Pavel, it's impossible to re-plant it that way because the lower part has no more wood, so it will not strong enough to support the standing...

Well, as Marcus and Craig's suggestion to plant on rock, that seem to be the only way out..and that's what I did here...

I had a massive rock....



Fortunately, the size, the shape and the curves just fit perfectly to the tree...



Here it started...



The rock's curves just perfectly fitted the flow of the trunk, the upper part deadwood perfectly hooked to the rock and the roots just about to reach the soil surface...



Now I trimmed the foliage so it was not so densed and heavy...



OK..then I tilted a little bit to the right to get better visual balance...



Then, the last thing to do was to wrap the lower part and filled with soil to let the roots growing down; then gradually take out the soil, exposing the roots...



and this is my simulated future....
The main problem is solved.The invert-tapering is no more an issue, in the contrary, this becomes a point of interest..and a unique design.
The figurines are just to enhance the thematic messsage and play another composition role.



Hope you enjoy it...



A no hope tree met a massive rock became a wonderful piece of art.... Master Steven cheers... cheers cheers cheers

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Post  dadshouse on Wed May 16, 2012 5:38 am

Very nice vision excellent!! Cool

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